badboy
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We've had more calf injuries than the calf scramble at a rodeo.
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Injury Discussion Thread
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
@CloakNNNdagger, I just saw your post about Stroud appearing to exhibit the fencer's pose. Last week I was suspicious that he was concussed even though he passed the initial sideline evaluation. His legs had been wobbly when he stood up on the field, but he claimed the wind was knocked out of him. I hope that's all it was, but that's not what wobbly legs usually indicate.
I doubt he's ready to play next week. And I hope he doesn't. I would rather lose a playoff run, heck even a Super Bowl if the situation demanded, than ruin an athlete's retirement years when he's only 22. Junior Seau's suicide permanently influenced my perspective on this topic. No entertainment is worth that kind of sacrifice.
I doubt he's ready to play next week. And I hope he doesn't. I would rather lose a playoff run, heck even a Super Bowl if the situation demanded, than ruin an athlete's retirement years when he's only 22. Junior Seau's suicide permanently influenced my perspective on this topic. No entertainment is worth that kind of sacrifice.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Actually you can see wobbly legs in a player that has suffered an acute thigh contusion, the injury that Stroud sustained. It can cause weakness, stiffness and/or tightness of the leg. The pain is usually immediate and can be severe, making it difficult to walk or even move the leg. For the aforementioned reasons, a thigh contusion injury has been coined "Dead Leg."
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I'm glad that's all it was. I'd hate for it to be consecutive concussions within a week. I still remember what you told us about Deandre Hopkins' propensity for concussions that began with his car wreck, and how each concussion makes the brain more vulnerable to another. Especially when not given time to properly recuperate.
But then that reminds me of what you said your neurologist colleague said: "If you've seen one concussion, you've seen one concussion," meaning each one is different.
"Dead leg" was the game my idiot friends and I played by sucker-punching one another in the quad so we couldn't walk. It's amazing any of us grew up to become functioning adults.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I went to a residential school so legs were open season. We would randomly knee each others thighs all year long. It was brutal. Painful. And wildly fun… especially when we would tag team them with a double knee in each thigh simultaneously.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It all boils down to protecting the QB and making play calls that reduce the chances of him getting hits like that - for example, if you're playing a team that is continually getting through to the QB, you have to alter your calls and prime the QB to get the ball out faster.
We don't want another Andrew Luck situation where he bailed out of the NFL due to concussions.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Yes, it was painful. Which is why retribution drove the hilariously vicious cycle.
Interesting how these games spread around the country pre-internet. Or maybe sadistic tendencies are deeply embedded in the minds of every 13 year old boy.
I don't want to see Stroud back on Sunday, regardless of the concussion protocol. He must take a week off, minimum. I want to see the Texans in the playoff as much as anyone. But this is the franchise we're talking about. Wait until Stroud is absolutely recovered...then add a week. If he's done for the season, so be it.
Here is a photo of CJ on the ground after the Williams hit. I think you can see his arm raised in that fencers pose.
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NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I see it but still pictures don’t really tell the whole story. i do not see a fencers pose in the video itself. Lets hope for the best regardless.I don't want to see Stroud back on Sunday, regardless of the concussion protocol. He must take a week off, minimum. I want to see the Texans in the playoff as much as anyone. But this is the franchise we're talking about. Wait until Stroud is absolutely recovered...then add a week. If he's done for the season, so be it.
Here is a photo of CJ on the ground after the Williams hit. I think you can see his arm raised in that fencers pose.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree.I don't want to see Stroud back on Sunday, regardless of the concussion protocol. He must take a week off, minimum. I want to see the Texans in the playoff as much as anyone. But this is the franchise we're talking about. Wait until Stroud is absolutely recovered...then add a week. If he's done for the season, so be it.
Here is a photo of CJ on the ground after the Williams hit. I think you can see his arm raised in that fencers pose.
Another blow like that could be serious if not fully healed.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I also would not want to CJ next week. Not understood by the lay fan, the Concussion Protocol has always been of questionable validity..........and established more to appear as established for the safety of the player, where it really serves to the advantage of the League to get the player back onto the field. Much of it depends too heavily on player subjectiveness and manipulatio rather than sophisticated object testing.I don't want to see Stroud back on Sunday, regardless of the concussion protocol. He must take a week off, minimum. I want to see the Texans in the playoff as much as anyone. But this is the franchise we're talking about. Wait until Stroud is absolutely recovered...then add a week. If he's done for the season, so be it.
Here is a photo of CJ on the ground after the Williams hit. I think you can see his arm raised in that fencers pose.
Here is only one example...........
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With technological advancements being made to diagnose head injuries, the NFL still relies on assessment tests that players take prior to the start of the season. If a player is suspected of having suffering a concussion, these assessment tests are given again to compare results with the pre-season control test.
Prominent players such as Peyton Manning have opened up about the ineffectiveness of the assessment tests. A few years ago, Manning told ESPN that he would try to cheat the system to avoid being taken out of a game due to a concussion.
“They have these new tests we have to take before the season. Then, after a concussion, you take the same test and if you do worse than you did on the first test, you can’t play. So, I just try to do badly on the first test,” Manning said.
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It appears that the Martial Arts expert that Tua worked with to avoid concussions might be onto something. He's made it through the whole yr without a concussion.
Couldn't agree more.I don't want to see Stroud back on Sunday, regardless of the concussion protocol. He must take a week off, minimum. I want to see the Texans in the playoff as much as anyone. But this is the franchise we're talking about. Wait until Stroud is absolutely recovered...then add a week. If he's done for the season, so be it.
Here is a photo of CJ on the ground after the Williams hit. I think you can see his arm raised in that fencers pose.
Have not the Texans already met if not exceeded realistic expectations of most for the 2023 season, so what's the upside in
prematurely putting Shroud back out there especially when considering the downside of any early return to action for such a promising career ?
Notice Stroud looking at Williams after he's released the pass? I'm sure he involuntarily tensed upWilliams saw Stroud release the pass. Then took 2 steps. Should have been flagged. Must be fined.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Williams saw Stroud release the pass. Then took 2 steps. Should have been flagged. Must be fined.
yup…I’m not gonna go all Mahomes-crying-like-a-baby about the call/non-call but This was an absolute egregious miss by the refs. Especially considering WAJ got flagged for essentially a similar hit like that on Wilson earlier in the game.
The NFL really has to get together at the owners meetings this offseason and really address the consistency of calls b/c it has been especially terrible this year.
1978/1979 - Roger Staubach got knocked out one time after another - stayed out/down/not-moving - 19 times. I got where I couldn't even watch it !
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Players were just a different breed of animal back then. Today’s bunch… sigh.
How old is Staubach today.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Will be 82 in February.
I'm guessing he hasn't suffered from CTE.
That's what everyone thought back then. He would get knocked cold .... no movement ! I thought he was going to die .... everytime. He must've had a true glass jaw ! I believed he'd rather compete until death, that not play .... tougher than I ever want to be !
I don't thinks brains have changed much from the 70's.
You don't know until he dies and his brain is opened.
The Umpire is in the video shot, watching the QB all the time. The Referee is out of view on the other side doing the same thing. And this was a crew on double secret probation or something. The whole point of these rules are to protect the QB. The lifeblood of this game. Yet, both guys are just frozen.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Being pointed out on 610 right now, a reminder that Stroud was also removed from the Bronco game for a brief time and examined for a concussion. That's two games in a row. Commented that he hasn't been at his best and maybe has been suffering some lingering effect. Said they might would hold him out of the Titan game even if cleared to play. Several posters have suggested the same.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Just hold him out for a bit. We already know what he can do, and what he can't with no one decent to throw to. Let him rest and let either Mills or Case run the show for now. He's the future of the franchise, and we don't need him messed up even more than he is now.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
More research is necessary but it sure seems that things such as brains/humans/etc are most evolving a bit faster than the norm. People are built different over time. It shows.
So your assertion is that brains have evolved over 50 years to become more susceptible to concussions? I don't think you're going to find much scientific data to support that.
Mine has, .... I think it's on a race to the bottom .... and way out front ! Overly competitive !
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Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
Is this the kind of thing that can be alleviated by shutting him down for the season or will there always be a bit of lingering potential to re-injure?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Stroud obviously took a severe hit to his head on the turf. He definitely exhibited brainstem trauma reflex taking the fencers pose.............demonstrated by both still photo.........
And by video..............
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Calf tears can take weeks to months to allow return to play. Re-injury has been shown to be at risk for 2 seasons post injury.
That looks like a late hit.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Clearly. I’m just a guy sitting on his couch trying to jump in on the conversation. My thoughts aren’t scientific.
Thats why I said more research is needed. I mean think about it… we live in air conditioned houses and cars and whatnot. 75-85 years ago… not so much. I’m just saying we’ve evolved… and it’s been quick. I feel it in people’s handshakes these days. They’re soft. Stuff like that.
Definitely late and Williams knew it! Hence his apology tweet.
Staubach is almost 82 and he's better off mentally than the most powerful person in the world. Dementia is tough.
Times have changed and because of this I have to believe the brain has also changed.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
What I saw was the hit on Stroud not being the main issue but the left arm follow through that increased the velocity of the fall and the smacking of his helmet on the turf. Eliminate the follow through and Stroud probably gets up and back into the huddle. This where I see the intent to hurt CJ versus just knocking him down.
I don't see any intent to hurt CJ. I would bet that left arm push was so he could avoid landing on CJ with his full body weight, which is now a penalty. That's a lot to ask from a big man moving at full speed.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Damn, that Texans injury list is the cream of the roster.
Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
When would we know the severity/extent of Nico’s calf injury?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Probably not a bad idea. What IS a bad idea is rushing him back to play too soon after his concussion.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Will Anderson Jnr DNP again Thursday, I’m guessing when Doc catches us up it will not be looking good for him to play Sunday?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Is this the same hamstring that caused Cashman to miss game 1?
Unfortunate so many key players have been injured.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I posted it in the Jets pregame thread on how just getting out of that stadium injury free is a victory.
That stadium took out both our rookie first round draft picks. And our best LBs.
I am surprised Tunsil and Stingley managed to get out of there injury free.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
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