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Oklahoma putting it to the horns......

Mr teX said:
that's 1 year dude..

The difference is that the big 10 doesn't have over half of its teams no where close to being competitive every year. Iowa & wisconsin are perenially ranked & illinois & minnesota are usually decent. the only consistent doormats are Northwestern & Indiana. Unlike in the big 12 where pretty much the whole north is usually walkthrough games for UT & OU & then you've got baylor & largely T A&M. It's a joke really.
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North doormat Mizzou beat usually decent Illinois this year. They've won 5 in a row over em actually, and 7 of the last 9. What does that say about your theory that Illinois is usually decent but the Big 12 North just has bad teams that miraculously win once in a blue moon?

I think that Missouri and Illinois are a lot closer than you give Mizzou credit for. Both teams are usually decent.
 
Mr teX said:
b/c every year over half the conference is irrelevant......like really irrelevant (big 12 north anyone?) every year everyone knows that the conference comes down to 1 game, & i'll give you a hint its not the Big 12 title game. & for it to be to put together mainly as a football conference, it's just too lopsided; any team that matters is in the south bracket so they beat up on each other while the north scramble for the right to get pummeled by whomever comes out of the south.

& Don't get it twisted, the pac 10 gets the same rap too it's just less of filler teams like the big 12 has.
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It's been a complaint of mine as well for a while that the Big 12 has been a solid conference for the most part, but it's when it became really unbalanced it needed to be addressed. Beebe and the rest of the Big 12 didn't make a move quick enough and it cost them.

I think what's left of the Big 12 after CU and Nebraska leave, can survive for a a few years the same way that the Big East have survived. Move into being an elite basketball conference while you rebuild the football side. I mean let's look at it right now you've got real good basketball programs in Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, K-State, Kansas, Mizzou, OU, OK. State and Tech can be a tough team to deal with as well.

In the meantime they bide start looking for two teams to add. UH and TCU seem like logical choices. I think UH is about to have the facilities and is a programthat is regaining momentum. TCU probably needs an upgrade to their facilities, but my bigger concern is what kind of fan support they can rally to bring to a league like a new Big 12.

Another logical option would be Arkansas, but it looks now it'll be really hard to pry them from the SEC unless they decide they are tired of being in the same division as Alabma.

Is New Mexico a real option? I don't know, probably not. Could it become one once they start seeing a revenue sharing program? Possibly?

UTEP? Well the administration here wants to become a Tier One University. The facilties for both basketball and Football really aren't that bad at all. UTEP dropped the ball in the C-USA BBall tourney(ran the table in the regular season though), and as much as I don't trust Tim Floyd, he'll probably be a good recruiter.

Far as football goes, I think firing Mike Price would be a good move, and bringing in someone who runs more of a spread type offense would help. It's just tough to recruit out here with it being so far away from everything. I'd really love to see them hire Leach.
 
OrangeLotPole8 said:
Not in the LAST TWO WEEKS! OUT OF TOP @%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hurrah:
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Well good then, you don't refute Texas as being what you claimed they weren't.

I highly doubt anyone is to worried about losing two games right now. It's happened before. Colt lost 3 games twice in his first two seasons as the starter. It's usually pretty common for a brand new starter at QB to struggle some. But hey, go ahead and keep cheering like you won the SB, just because of a Longhorns loss if that's what you need to do in order to get some joy out of college football. It's so rare you get this feeling, I guess you might as well enjoy it. It's a step child mentality when you care more about when another team loses than how your own team wins.
 
Dan B. said:
North doormat Mizzou beat usually decent Illinois this year. They've won 5 in a row over em actually, and 7 of the last 9. What does that say about your theory that Illinois is usually decent but the Big 12 North just has bad teams that miraculously win once in a blue moon?

I think that Missouri and Illinois are a lot closer than you give Mizzou credit for. Both teams are usually decent.
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B/c the big 12 north does have bad teams in it. Don't confuse entertaining football with good football. Read the article below from a few years ago.. at the bottom there is a chart that has the big 12 south vs. north split over the last 5 seasons. only once did the big 12 north even come close to competing with the south.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/080909dnspobig12disparity.435df00.html
 
Mr teX said:
B/c the big 12 north does have bad teams in it. Don't confuse entertaining football with good football. Read the article below from a few years ago.. at the bottom there is a chart that has the big 12 south vs. north split over the last 5 seasons. only once did the big 12 north even come close to competing with the south.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/080909dnspobig12disparity.435df00.html
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The people confusing entertaining football with good football are the ones pimping the Pac 10.

I agree that recently the better Big 12 teams are in the South, but this does not make the Big 12 North teams a bunch of doormats, and it also does not mean that this will always be the case.

OU and UT are both historically superior and each has maintained that level in recent years, but both have had down years, especially in the years right before the Big 12 was formed. If the Big 12 existed in the early/mid 90's it would have been all Big 12 North with Colorado and Nebraska running the show, and A&M owning the South. When the Big 12 was formed both of these programs were thought to be able of carrying the North, along with KSU (who are currently not all that bad either -- witness their depantsing of UCLA in week 1).

It's true that all of these programs fell significantly in a short span of time, and that 2 of them are now ditching the Big 12 for greener pastures. I just don't think that this was the fault of the Big 12 for putting them together. It's on their athletic departments for hiring bad coaches or firing them before they could establish an identity. This happens to all programs at some point -- look at Michigan, A&M, or Notre Dame in recent years. Or UT in the 80's and 90's.

I don't think that the Big 12 North is all that bad. The teams there generally are at the level of teams you claim are usually decent in the Big 10 -- teams like Minnesota or Illinois. The best of them would be where you put Wisconsin and Iowa. They just so happened to go through rebuilding years at the same time that OU and UT had each finally found their coaches. An 8-4 or 7-5 team in the Big 12 would be an 8-4 or 7-5 team in any other conference.
 
Dan B. said:
The people confusing entertaining football with good football are the ones pimping the Pac 10.

I agree that recently the better Big 12 teams are in the South, but this does not make the Big 12 North teams a bunch of doormats, and it also does not mean that this will always be the case.

OU and UT are both historically superior and each has maintained that level in recent years, but both have had down years, especially in the years right before the Big 12 was formed. If the Big 12 existed in the early/mid 90's it would have been all Big 12 North with Colorado and Nebraska running the show, and A&M owning the South. When the Big 12 was formed both of these programs were thought to be able of carrying the North, along with KSU (who are currently not all that bad either -- witness their depantsing of UCLA in week 1).

It's true that all of these programs fell significantly in a short span of time, and that 2 of them are now ditching the Big 12 for greener pastures. I just don't think that this was the fault of the Big 12 for putting them together. It's on their athletic departments for hiring bad coaches or firing them before they could establish an identity. This happens to all programs at some point -- look at Michigan, A&M, or Notre Dame in recent years. Or UT in the 80's and 90's.

I don't think that the Big 12 North is all that bad. The teams there generally are at the level of teams you claim are usually decent in the Big 10 -- teams like Minnesota or Illinois. The best of them would be where you put Wisconsin and Iowa. They just so happened to go through rebuilding years at the same time that OU and UT had each finally found their coaches. An 8-4 or 7-5 team in the Big 12 would be an 8-4 or 7-5 team in any other conference.
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yeah, i agree with you for the most part, i just don't think that to be the case though. The overriding thing that they need to do is restructure the conference & at minimum put OU & UT in separate brackets..
 
Mr teX said:
that's 1 year dude..

The difference is that the big 10 doesn't have over half of its teams no where close to being competitive in its conferenceevery year. Iowa & wisconsin are perenially ranked & illinois & minnesota are usually decent. the only consistent doormats are Northwestern & Indiana. Unlike in the big 12 where pretty much the whole north is usually walkthrough games for UT & OU & then you've got baylor & largely T A&M. It's a joke really.
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Yes, that was the year before last, but those teams you just tried to rank up there as so much better in the BIG 10, man are you serious with that? The only teams in the BIG 10 that really ever have any real potential is OSU, Michigan (Not lately), and occasionally Penn State or Iowa gets a string of wins against some cans and get a top 10 ranking. You keep talking about the BIG 12 NORTH, and I'll give you that that it's a very weak part of one conference, but just look at the BIG 12 SOUTH and you've got Texas and Oklahoma who are powerhouse programs every year, TT who is usually ranked at some point of the year and has been a very dangerous team to just about anyone they play, and Texas A&M who hasn't been much lately, but still isn't a push over either. Oklahoma St. is never a cake walk either to have on your schedule every year. Plus, Texas always has at least one very tough out of conference team that they play every year like Ohio State or someone.

The BIG 12 NORTH has also usually has one scrappy team that can be tough to beat even though the majority of teams in the North are pretty bad. Missouri was pretty good for two seasons and Kansas was ranked like 5 or #6 about 3 or 4 years ago. Nebraska came back alive last season as well and almost beat Texas in the BIG 12 Championship game. And just remember the fact that the BIG 12 still has that extra BIG 12 Championship game where the Pac 10 and the BIG 10 do not. That's an extra game against a winning team that either Texas or Oklahoma will have to play every year where the one team in the PAC 10 and BIG 10 just get to skate on by to a bowl game. That's a whole one more game to play with high stakes.

When you look at the over all schedule that Texas will face year to year, it's not some cake walk when in comparison to the rest of the teams in the PAC-10, BIG-10, and the ACC. I'll give you the SEC, but you could say about every other team in the country that isn't in the SEC. Look at the schedules that those dominant USC teams were playing every year or some of those OSU teams got to play on their road to a National Championship game. Some of those were atrocious. Texas plays a schedule every year that is typically going to be very similar to what the top dogs of every conference have to play other than in the SEC. And Texas has also won all but like 2 Bowl games in the last 7 years and one of those was last year when COlt went down at the beginning of it. Texas has been extremely successful against teams outside of the BIG 12.
 
Goldensilence said:
When you're not busy trying to trash UT what college team do you cheer for?
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The question I had in mind.

OrangeLotPole8 said:
I am a BIG WESTERN KENTUCKY FAN! :secret:
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I was worried you were a Cougar fan. As a lifelong Cougar fan I have never been a fan of UT, but posting threads like this is........wrong. No major board foul or anything, but it just doesn't sit right for my taste. I have done things like this in the past, but I like to think that since I'm getting older I am maturing at the same time.

Go ahead Western Kentucky, glad you're not a Coog. Though I think your bizarre hatred for UT is misplaced at best.
 
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Texecutioner said:
Yes, that was the year before last, but those teams you just tried to rank up there as so much better in the BIG 10, man are you serious with that? The only teams in the BIG 10 that really ever have any real potential is OSU, Michigan (Not lately), and occasionally Penn State or Iowa gets a string of wins against some cans and get a top 10 ranking. You keep talking about the BIG 12 NORTH, and I'll give you that that it's a very weak part of one conference, but just look at the BIG 12 SOUTH and you've got Texas and Oklahoma who are powerhouse programs every year, TT who is usually ranked at some point of the year and has been a very dangerous team to just about anyone they play, and Texas A&M who hasn't been much lately, but still isn't a push over either. Oklahoma St. is never a cake walk either to have on your schedule every year. Plus, Texas always has at least one very tough out of conference team that they play every year like Ohio State or someone.

The BIG 12 NORTH has also usually has one scrappy team that can be tough to beat even though the majority of teams in the North are pretty bad. Missouri was pretty good for two seasons and Kansas was ranked like 5 or #6 about 3 or 4 years ago. Nebraska came back alive last season as well and almost beat Texas in the BIG 12 Championship game. And just remember the fact that the BIG 12 still has that extra BIG 12 Championship game where the Pac 10 and the BIG 10 do not. That's an extra game against a winning team that either Texas or Oklahoma will have to play every year where the one team in the PAC 10 and BIG 10 just get to skate on by to a bowl game. That's a whole one more game to play with high stakes.

When you look at the over all schedule that Texas will face year to year, it's not some cake walk when in comparison to the rest of the teams in the PAC-10, BIG-10, and the ACC. I'll give you the SEC, but you could say about every other team in the country that isn't in the SEC. Look at the schedules that those dominant USC teams were playing every year or some of those OSU teams got to play on their road to a National Championship game. Some of those were atrocious. Texas plays a schedule every year that is typically going to be very similar to what the top dogs of every conference have to play other than in the SEC. And Texas has also won all but like 2 Bowl games in the last 7 years and one of those was last year when COlt went down at the beginning of it. Texas has been extremely successful against teams outside of the BIG 12.
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I never said they were so much better I just said they're usually decent. The overall thing i'm trying to get across is that the have-not teams in the big 10 usually can compete better in their conference than the have nots in the big 12 conference imo.
 
I'm trying to figure out what school OrangeLotPole supports... he has lingo from A&M (tu, teassips, etc), yet also shows support for OU, UNL, LSU, and WKU??!!

Either way...

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Super Mario said:
Good points. Same thing goes for the downward horns. Is your school that lacking in tradition that all you can come up with is UT's salute upside down?
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Texecutioner said:
This is just weak. When you have something that you can really bash UT on, then get back at me. This stuff is just comical from you jealous fans who live to hate on UT. Being envious like this seems like it would be miserable.
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You do realize that I was complaining about other schools doing the downward hookem right?
 
Super Mario said:
You do realize that I was complaining about other schools doing the downward hookem right?
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No I didn't. I thought you were making some sort of snifling comment actually. My apologies for the mistake. There's been so much useless UT bashing going around this place lately, it's been hard to tell.
 
Texecutioner said:
No I didn't. I thought you were making some sort of snifling comment actually. My apologies for the mistake. There's been so much useless UT bashing going around this place lately, it's been hard to tell.
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Bashing tu is NEVER useless. :spin:
 
Showtime100 said:
I was worried you were a Cougar fan. As a lifelong Cougar fan I have never been a fan of UT, but posting threads like this is........wrong. No major board foul or anything, but it just doesn't sit right for my taste. I have done things like this in the past, but I like to think that since I'm getting older I am maturing at the same time.

Go ahead Western Kentucky, glad you're not a Coog. Though I think your bizarre hatred for UT is misplaced at best.
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Ahhh ... Orange Pole is a Coog ...

I think the real issue here is he is from Deer Park. As Grandma and I discussed here Deer Park is nothing but snot nosed punks. ;)
 
Texecutioner said:
So you're jealous of the budget that Texas has and will continue to have? Is that what this is about? You can scream and pout all you want, but Texas isn't going away and will remain a powerhouse. Texas could probably buy out the school you root for and just close it down. :lol:

And just for your education since you're really not good at this. Texas is the 2nd most winning team in college football history in a close 2nd to Michigan, so like you mentioned about them "being a team that is supposed to win". They do.

http://www.secsportsfan.com/all-time-college-football-wins.html

And for this decade alone which is what matters most, Texas ranks 2nd behind Boise State for the most wins, but of course Boise State doesn't even play in a BcS conference so that would put Texas 1st actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_football_team_records_by_decade


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You exactly RIGHT! In your own words......and for this decade which matters most.... OU has PUNKED TU, won 60% of the time! NEXT!
 
OrangeLotPole8 said:


You exactly RIGHT! In your own words......and for this decade which matters most.... OU has PUNKED TU, won 60% of the time! NEXT!
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Why do you insist on calling them TU? That's an Aggie thing, and even I nor my Aggie friends have called it that since our freshman year. It's sort of like how I used to call my brother Michael, 'Michelle' to get a rise out of him, but I haven't done that since I was 8.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Why do you insist on calling them TU? That's an Aggie thing, and even I nor my Aggie friends have called it that since our freshman year. It's sort of like how I used to call my brother Michael, 'Michelle' to get a rise out of him, but I haven't done that since I was 8.
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Because the UT is The University of Tennessee. Don't want to confuse the two.
 
OrangeLotPole8 said:


You exactly RIGHT! In your own words......and for this decade which matters most.... OU has PUNKED TU, won 60% of the time! NEXT!
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:wadepalm: Man, that's really poor judgment when you have to try and leach onto an Oklahoma bandwagon just over Texas envy. I feel for you when you have to go lengths such at those.

You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
 
I must be in the very small minority.. I am a UT fan first and fore most but I do pull for other Texas schools

My cousin was so happy UT lost this weekend and all I said was "it was a tough weekend for texas schools against mobilhoma"

and his response was "sawed off short"

I didn't say a word after that.. I was pulling for A&M over OSU but that didn't happen either this weekend

but A&M pulled a Gag em in a 3rd and 4th quarter of that game
 
I love these threads.

Here's how I see it.....when the Horns win, I win because I'm a fan.

When the Horns lose, I still win because I hate Greg Davis and every loss gets him closer to the door.
 
Mr. White said:
I love these threads.

Here's how I see it.....when the Horns win, I win because I'm a fan.

When the Horns lose, I still win because I hate Greg Davis and every loss gets him closer to the door.
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Unfortunately that's where you're completely wrong White. Greg Davis is "fire proof." Mack will never fire him. The alums and elitists at UT tried to have Davis fired many years ago, but Mack told them that he would leave if Davis were to be fired. I heard that they were both in each other's wedding or something like that.They are best buds. Mack will never let that guy go, and Mack is also the head guy of this offense and directs Greg into the play calling type of style that Mack wants. It's really a combination of both between the offensive failures at UT.
 
I havent read the whole thread .... too much to wade thru but I just want to give my :twocents: on the Horns.


They arent very good this year but when you send as many guy's to the NFL as they have in recent years eventually its gonna catch up to you.


They dont have much experience at key positions - Garrett Gilbert most notably. I think he has it in him to be a very good QB going forward but needs some seasoning.
He's got big shoes to fill .... Colt won more games than any QB in history as a starting QB.
Thats a tough act to follow.

The Horns will be back ..... soon. :tiphat:
 
Dan B. said:
The Big 12 is without a doubt better than the ACC this year. The only team in the ACC that MIGHT be capable of playing in a BCS game without getting slaughtered is Miami. That same OU team that squeaked past UT and Utah State obliterated FSU (the second best team in the ACC), and their third best team (VTech) lost to a second division program.

The Big 12 is also unquestionably better than the Big East, and currently has more ranked teams than the Pac 10. The SEC and Big 10 are the two best, no doubt. But I don't think there's some yawning chasm between the ACC/Pac 10 and Big 12 the way so many C-USA and MWC fans seem to.
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I'm really late on this sorry.

Nobody has really played anyone thus far in the season except a couple of teams, so its really hard to see who is good or not.

As far as ACC vs. Big 12. You've got OU as Big 12' best team by far. I think OU is really good this year. There is no team in the ACC that could match up with them so by consequence of that the Big 12 is better. The ACC has some good teams though. Miami and Florida State are top 20 teams this year. They could both compete with Texas and Nebraska (I think Nebraska is overrated) right now and probably by the end of the season we will see a matchup between two of four of these schools. NC State and Virginia Tech could compete with Kansas State and Oklahoma State. I think the depth behind OU is pretty much the same in the conferences.
 
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Hookem Horns said:
Don't speak for me. Actually a lot of UT fans don't speak for me because I am not a VY jock sniffer / Titans "fan" but that is for another thread.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing UH and TCU in the Big 12. IF those teams were in the Big 12 they would improve in all of those areas you are speaking about. IMO their current conference is holding them back.

Houston was a power in the SWC and I see no reason why they couldn't be again in the Big 12. Plus because of who they are I would be excited to play them.

So what does Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, or even OSU bring to the table? Nothing for me personally. I never look forward to playing any of those teams even when they are decent. Maybe it is because I grew up with the SWC and enjoy the rivals I grew up with.
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I wasn't speaking for you. I was speaking for the school. I honestly don't care what you believe.
 
Thread starters penis envy is pretty wretched. We lose two games, boo hoo. A&M, UH etc would rejoice like they swept the awards at the end of the season and won a national championship if they finished with only 2 losses.

Maybe you forgot that we played for a national championship last year, and won one 5 years ago?

Here's an idea, my $10,000 to your $10,000. First team to win a football national championship wins the bet... UT or your UH cougars.
 
c10x said:
I wasn't speaking for you. I was speaking for the school. I honestly don't care what you believe.
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And who are you? The official spokesperson for the UT Athletic program?

Listen c10x, the next time you want to join a discussion try and not be such a moron. That generally helps.

:lol:
 
Actually genius, that is the point of view of the school. I don't need to work there to know this. If you followed UT as closely as I do, you'd know it too. This is no secret that only I know. Ask any educated longhorn fan.

I guess I'll add more since its easier for you guys to blindly follow usernames in colors and ones you know, instead of deciphering the message and deciding whats more accurate.

UH and TCU (and Rice, and Trinity, and UTEP, etc etc) are not flagship schools. Look around all the BCS conferences. Cal, USC, UCLA and Stanford are in the PAC 10. Do you suddenly think SDSU or USF are gonna get invites? Aboslutely not. They don't have the history, the winning tradition, the fan base, or the revenues to join. It's the University of Utah and University of Colorado who got bids.

Whether people on this forum want to accept it or not, the UH's, TCU's, etc of this world are simply not on the same ground at UT, A&M and Texas Tech. Hell, even in Houston very few people care about UH. When Texas played Rice in Reliant, it was like 95% Horn fans. And before you come back with "well duh, look at the enrollment ofcourse there are more horn fans in houston" - THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THEY AREN'T IN THE BIG 12.

It doesn't matter how many of you pile on, or how many of you negative rep me - I am still right.

Why would Texas ever give a charity bid to someone like a UH to kickstart their program and take away recruits from Texas. That would be stupid. Now if Houston wasn't an already tapped market saturated with longhorn and aggie fans - maybe that would be a reason to include them. But including UH to the Big 12 would not improve the national perception of the big 12. That's why we didn't extend an invite to UH, and instead had Texas schedule home&home's with UCLA, Maryland, Notre Dame, etc.
 
c10x said:
My rep comes from the delusional aggie and coug fans who don't like reality. Their opinions on college football are void.
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Newsflash jackass, your opinion on college football matter about as much as ours & just b/c you show up in burnt orange garb every saturday & you talk tough on a messageboard about UT doesn't make it count any more....Put down the burnt orange koolaid.
 
What irony - one of the weakest teams in the Big 12 is single-handedly ruining the whole conference.
 
Mr teX said:
Newsflash jackass, your opinion on college football matter about as much as ours & just b/c you show up in burnt orange garb every saturday & you talk tough on a messageboard about UT doesn't make it count any more than ours....Put down the burnt orange koolaid.
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Not a tshirt fan. I am an alum. That's first and foremost.

And this isn't me talking tough on a message board. If you look back at the posts, the name calling etc has all been directed at me first - not the other way around.

I don't think my opinion matters more than anyones - I do however think that people who so furiously defend UH so as to neg rep me's opinion doesn't matter though. They are an afterthought to the college football watching nation, yet don't realize it - and I find that funny.

You trying to lump my "delusional aggie and UH fans" to include all UH and A&M fans is actually more insulting to those respective schools than anything I stated. There are UH and A&M fans, and a subset of them are delusional fans. That subset is the subset that is neg repping me.
 
Mr. White said:
I love these threads.

Here's how I see it.....when the Horns win, I win because I'm a fan.

When the Horns lose, I still win because I hate Greg Davis and every loss gets him closer to the door.
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Texecutioner said:
Unfortunately that's where you're completely wrong White. Greg Davis is "fire proof." Mack will never fire him. The alums and elitists at UT tried to have Davis fired many years ago, but Mack told them that he would leave if Davis were to be fired. I heard that they were both in each other's wedding or something like that.They are best buds. Mack will never let that guy go, and Mack is also the head guy of this offense and directs Greg into the play calling type of style that Mack wants. It's really a combination of both between the offensive failures at UT.
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How about some good old fashioned espionage. What if a bunch of rich UT boosters donated big $ and sent $30 million to another school in order to hire Greg Davis as the head coach. The stip would be that they would have to offer Davis a salary of $7 million dollars a year for three years(and it would be renegotiated with the boosters after 2 years). That way Davis is now the HIGHEST paid HC in the country, he wouldn't be able to turn that down, and Mack wouldn't say no to let his buddy make $ and UT could get a decent Offensive coordinator.

And the rich boosters are happy!
 
c10x said:
Actually genius, that is the point of view of the school. I don't need to work there to know this. If you followed UT as closely as I do, you'd know it too. This is no secret that only I know. Ask any educated longhorn fan.

I guess I'll add more since its easier for you guys to blindly follow usernames in colors and ones you know, instead of deciphering the message and deciding whats more accurate.

UH and TCU (and Rice, and Trinity, and UTEP, etc etc) are not flagship schools. Look around all the BCS conferences. Cal, USC, UCLA and Stanford are in the PAC 10. Do you suddenly think SDSU or USF are gonna get invites? Aboslutely not. They don't have the history, the winning tradition, the fan base, or the revenues to join. It's the University of Utah and University of Colorado who got bids.

Whether people on this forum want to accept it or not, the UH's, TCU's, etc of this world are simply not on the same ground at UT, A&M and Texas Tech. Hell, even in Houston very few people care about UH. When Texas played Rice in Reliant, it was like 95% Horn fans. And before you come back with "well duh, look at the enrollment ofcourse there are more horn fans in houston" - THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THEY AREN'T IN THE BIG 12.

It doesn't matter how many of you pile on, or how many of you negative rep me - I am still right.

Why would Texas ever give a charity bid to someone like a UH to kickstart their program and take away recruits from Texas. That would be stupid. Now if Houston wasn't an already tapped market saturated with longhorn and aggie fans - maybe that would be a reason to include them. But including UH to the Big 12 would not improve the national perception of the big 12. That's why we didn't extend an invite to UH, and instead had Texas schedule home&home's with UCLA, Maryland, Notre Dame, etc.
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I agree for the most part on what you're saying about the national perception of UH & the conference, i'm not oblivious to the challenges we face as a university but what the hell is baylor & iowa state exactly doing for that perception? & that's really my & others main point.

I don't think anyone is claiming that UH/TCU is on par with UT/A&M as far as the things you cited above....at least not me. But its the citing of these reasons as to why that ticks UH fans off b/c we were screwed out of developing that mainly b/c some old bat weaseled her school into the big 12 over UH in the 1st place (who by the way have done absolutely nothing in the conference).

i & many other do believe that if UH was in a better conference, the fan support would come simply b/c this is a football crazy town & there is a connection/history with all the other schools in the Big 12..at minimum the big 12 south. There isn't anything with any of the schools in conference USA. It's also the whole ploy aspect of it as well. You said it yourself, why invite UH when it's already a tapped market? They basically say "Yeah, we'll come down here to parade our littany of houston players by scheduling an overmatched rice team every year, but we won't invite a decent UH team b/c its not worth it to us.." & it's that kind of mentality comes back to bite them in the ass every year. I honestly could care less if it were the big 12, I just think that if we were in a BCS conference & teams were brought here that the fan base actually wants to see, we'd be in a little better situation.
 
c10x said:
Actually genius, that is the point of view of the school. I don't need to work there to know this. If you followed UT as closely as I do, you'd know it too. This is no secret that only I know. Ask any educated longhorn fan.
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That is exactly my point. You are just a fan. As we are. You have zero insight on why or why not TCU, Houston and other Texas schools would be invited to the Big 12.

You think because you pay an orangebloods.com subsription that you are special? That you are getting Mack Browns special diary entries? You dont know ****.
 
Super Mario said:
That is exactly my point. You are just a fan. As we are. You have zero insight on why or why not TCU, Houston and other Texas schools would be invited to the Big 12.

You think because you pay an orangebloods.com subsription that you are special? That you are getting Mack Browns special diary entries? You dont know ****.
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Maybe you failed to notice earlier this summer when OrangeBloods broke the every piece of the conference realignment story. Yes, we do get information that is not available elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you acknowledge it or accept it - it's still true.
 
Orangebloods does get a lot of inside information about the Longhorns and other information that has to do with college football for the record.

c10X is right about the fact that Orangebloods was breaking info a lot faster than most online sites and news publications around the country when the whole realignment thing was going on.
 
Mr teX said:
I agree for the most part on what you're saying about the national perception of UH & the conference, i'm not oblivious to the challenges we face as a university but what the hell is baylor & iowa state exactly doing for that perception? & that's really my & others main point.

I don't think anyone is claiming that UH/TCU is on par with UT/A&M as far as the things you cited above....at least not me. But its the citing of these reasons as to why that ticks UH fans off b/c we were screwed out of developing that mainly b/c some old bat weaseled her school into the big 12 over UH in the 1st place (who by the way have done absolutely nothing in the conference).

i & many other do believe that if UH was in a better conference, the fan support would come simply b/c this is a football crazy town & there is a connection/history with all the other schools in the Big 12..at minimum the big 12 south. There isn't anything with any of the schools in conference USA. It's also the whole ploy aspect of it as well. You said it yourself, why invite UH when it's already a tapped market? They basically say "Yeah, we'll come down here to parade our littany of houston players by scheduling an overmatched rice team every year, but we won't invite a decent UH team b/c its not worth it to us.." & it's that kind of mentality comes back to bite them in the ass every year. I honestly could care less if it were the big 12, I just think that if we were in a BCS conference & teams were brought here that the fan base actually wants to see, we'd be in a little better situation.
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Well I'm sorry if you blame Ann Richards, Baylor and UT for your programs status as a bottom-dweller. But like I said earlier, there are other ways to spur success than to be given a charity bid.

I can't make an argument for Iowa State or Baylor. They both suck, and I wish we weren't held down by them. Just as I'm sure the Alabama's of the world hate Miss St and Vanderbilt, or USC & Oregons of the world hate Washington and Wash St. But the reality of the world is inviting UH over Baylor doesn't help the big 12 from a national perception.
 
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Well I'm sorry if you blame Ann Richards, Baylor and UT for your programs status as a bottom-dweller. But like I said earlier, there are other ways to spur success than to be given a charity bid.

I can't make an argument for Iowa State or Baylor. They both suck, and I wish we weren't held down by them. Just as I'm sure the Alabama's of the world hate Miss St and Vanderbilt, or USC & Oregons of the world hate Washington and Wash St. But the reality of the world is inviting UH over Baylor doesn't help the big 12 from a national perception.
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Please, the fact of the matter is UT & schools like it represent all that is wrong with college football. and this "prestige" you're talking about is only driven by the ridiculous amounts of money the schools stand to make by keeping themselves separated at the top from other less fortunate programs.
& other ways like what exactly? You seem to be under the impression that UT is what is on the college sports scene for larger reasons other than the football program when everyone knows that football drives the other programs. Whatever, keep racking up those hollow 10 win seasons to satisfy the alums so as to add "prestige" to what appears to be a dying conference.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Looking at your post rep score it doesn't look like many here care what you believe either.
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As a person that started my education at A&M and finished at UH, I agree. Kevin, you know I like some fun ribbing. Some back and forth, "giving of the business" if you will. However, I completely disregard those that do it in a mean-spirited fashion. Let's face it, they "don't get it"! Or maybe guys like us are just getting old!!! :cowboy1:
 
c10x said:
My rep comes from the delusional aggie and coug fans who don't like reality. Their opinions on college football are void.
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Another melonhead ....

Rep around here is hard to come by .... you have to post intelligently .... joining very recently and arguing with long time members (and the forum creator) doesnt help your cause.


Earn your stripes before you spout off at the mouth.
 
Corrosion said:
Another melonhead ....

Rep around here is hard to come by .... you have to post intelligently .... joining very recently and arguing with long time members (and the forum creator) doesnt help your cause.


Earn your stripes before you spout off at the mouth.
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Damn, my knuckles are hurting already! ;)
 
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