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See, I think they should go with an Edge rusher.
Clowney is done, and this is a great class for 3-4 edge guys imo.
I like Polian's idea that you need two pass rushers to win it all.
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See, I think they should go with an Edge rusher.
Clowney is done, and this is a great class for 3-4 edge guys imo.
I like Polian's idea that you need two pass rushers to win it all.
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This is the way I feel besides how can you pass on a guy named Bud in Texas .
infantrycak
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I doubt they think Clowney is done. I'm not opposed to the idea of taking one. I do oppose the idea of defining the position to the round and in the end believe there will be other positions with folks as talented and hope for Clowney will push them to one of the other positions.
In the past 4 years they have used their 1st 3 out of 4 times on DE or OLB, plus a 2nd. Just not feeling them doing it again.
I think they use their first this year on either a plug & play DE or NT with an outside shot of CB
They've got to get Watt some help. A NT draws double teams wouldn't hurt either. I would take a flier on Raji and draft a developmental NT to put the heat on Nix. If Nix comes thru then you've got great DL depth in Watt/Raji/Nix/Crick/Drafted rookie. Raji can play DE too and shouldn't be too expensive but he wont be a minimum guy.
If cheap guys like Paul/Durant/Raji could be added then this team could go into the draft focusing on fixing the secondary. I agrre with your positions of need. But am not all of that jazzed about this yrs DB crop and hope they don't reach to fill a need. Altohugh Waynes had a great combine I wasn't impressed with Waynes against Baylor.
I agree as much on Clowney..... but what about Mercilus? Personally I think he's done rather well playing a position he isn't truly suited for, rush end, which is what Wade did with him.
With RAC & Vrabel coming in, I think Merci gets a bit of a reset & last season was like his rookie season all over again, where they actually asked him to play 3-4 LB. I'm curious to see what he'd look like when we have a full complement of LBs, where the pass rush can come from anywhere & not just the right end.
I'm not saying we shouldn't draft an edge rusher, just asking what do you think about Whitney & what he'll be able to do in year 2.
Do you use the standard controller, or a dual shock?
What are you suggesting? There is nothing unrealistic about what he suggested. It would be a solid move to sign a decent FA and draft another NT that is versatile enough to move around on the defensive line.
I'm going to be real disappointed if we don't get Watt some real help this offseason. It should be a point of emphasis.
You aren't serious are you, or maybe you are ?
I'm cetainly anything but optimistic about his future, but I'm not without hope.
Yep, that's why I hope the draft goes something like this
Rd.1 Dupree
Rd.2 Hunter
That would once and for all finally solve the pass rush issues. Fix 1 or 2 things for the long term instead of reaching to fill needs.
Would that be like taking Mario then Demeco, Cush then Barwin, Watt, then Reed... Clowney, then Nix? Best laid plans & all that, y'know?
infantrycak
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You argue need then prospectively slam any other pick as a reach for need.
They have all kinds of needs. (I don't get the this team is so talented mantra)
I want talented players. It just so happens this is a great yr for edge rushers.
Not so good for DB's. IMHO
Nope there are other players at other positions that wouldn't be a reach if drafted. (Brown/Waynes/Phillips/Shelton etc...) I'm just giving my opinion on who I would draft and what my draft strategy would be if I were drafting. Doesn't mean my strategy is the only right one.
I can't see the Texans going with two project pass rushers with the first 2 picks. Either should end up a solid SAM, but neither are locks to become NFL edge rushers.
Why did the Colts have such success with two undersized edge rushers in Freeney and Mathis? Because the Colts played with the lead. Offenses couldn't take advantage of the Freeney and Mathis weaknesses against the run, because they had to play catch up.
Does the Texans offense put up the kind of points that would allow pass rushers to pin their ears and attack the QB? No. Not yet. That's why Watt's accomplishments are so amazing. His ability to instantly read the play and react is off the chart. Until the Texans offense can score TDs and play with a lead, stocking up on pass rushers is a waste. I would be good with one of these guys, because they do fill a NEED* and have potential. But, not both that early when the team has a NEED* to score TDs.
*Filling needs in the draft is not that horrible. Every team does it. Really.
Can't argue with this, IMO. A hard-charging front 7 will take pressure off the back 4.
And I don't know if there's a Thomas/Weddle caliber guy in either F/A or the draft this off season.
Plus free agency is just as much a gamble as the draft. I've see too many so-called stud F/A's that underperformed when taken out of the system they thrived in.
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I wanted Weddle when he was in the draft . I'll have to hindsight it and see who the Texans picked .
San Diego grabbed him at 37 we had not shot except in the 1st round . Of course we would never have gotten Amobi .
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007
badboy
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I think only Dane Brugler and I were mocking a WR to Vikings so not sure how much this helps us unless one of teams selecting a top 3 guy instead go for high risk high reward D G-B.
My current thought is Malcom Brown + Tony Lippett at 113 offer more than Strong +?
That just makes Miami a WR needy team now, and they're at #14.
Kaiser Toro
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Doubt it - one of the the best rookies in Landry, adding Stills and have Clay and Cameron at TE
yeah getting rid of Wallace didn't change their needs
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If he falls to 16, then the NFL knows something we don't know with so many QB needy teams in the top 15.
BPA and I think that is a top 3 WR. But if they are all gone, a really good player at another position will be there.
Wallace is a #1?????
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He led PIT, MIA, MIA in targets last 3 years.
They have a kid, Charles Johnson, who came on late last season they really like. And with Greg Olsen and Cordarrelle and Jarius Wright may not be enough balls to go around.
If it were me, I'd be looking at LT & LG. Support Teddy. That defense is quietly good. They could be a playoff team with AD, imo.
badboy
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Casserly now saying we get Devante Parker #16. I agree if there.
http://www.chatsports.com/houston-t...ston-Texans-Replace-Andre-Johnson-2-11238284#
http://www.chatsports.com/houston-t...ston-Texans-Replace-Andre-Johnson-2-11238284#
Texecutioner
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I agree with the positions you have listed here, but think LB needs to be on there as well.
I think the Texans need upgrades at so many positions that if there were any year for a BPA to be our strategy, this is it more than ever. If there were a nice, QB sitting there then that would change but there won't be.
Texecutioner
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Hell yeah he is. He was with Tannehill. If he has a QB with a big arm that can get it down the field he can hit big numbers.
he caught 67 passes on 115 targets for 862 yards. I think he has proven he doesn't deserve number one money everywhere he's gone. That's why he keeps going to different teams.
At #16 I think we have to go BPA at one of the following positions:
WR, the top 3 are probably gone but we might have a shot at Parker.
OLB, Beasley maybe, Ray, Dupree, but none of these guys just really wow me.
CB, Waynes maybe but doubtful, Peters also a maybe but doubtful for off the field issues.
NT, if Shelton's available you sprint to the podium with his name, Brown maybe but doesn't really wow me, Goldman possibly.
ILB isn't a 1st round position, this TE class leaves alot to be desired, RB isn't a 1st round need or value pick, OT isn't a 1st round need anymore, and both QB prospects will be gone by #16.
WR, the top 3 are probably gone but we might have a shot at Parker.
OLB, Beasley maybe, Ray, Dupree, but none of these guys just really wow me.
CB, Waynes maybe but doubtful, Peters also a maybe but doubtful for off the field issues.
NT, if Shelton's available you sprint to the podium with his name, Brown maybe but doesn't really wow me, Goldman possibly.
ILB isn't a 1st round position, this TE class leaves alot to be desired, RB isn't a 1st round need or value pick, OT isn't a 1st round need anymore, and both QB prospects will be gone by #16.
wr, who are your top 3 if Parker isn't one of them?
olb- not sure any of the three are there
NT- agreed on Shelton, Goldman a possibility
badboy
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Remember Brown played mostly at Nose 2014 and DE is a more natural position although he can play both.
Thanks Lucky that was my intention. My top 3 are White, Parker, and Cooper in that order. Parker is currently ranked #12 overall by CBS so we might have a shot at him. I'd trade up for White if he falls out of the top 10, but that's unlikely.
Bb, I see Brown as a NT in the NFL. I think he's a guy that clogs the middle, demands a double team, and stuffs the middle run, but isn't going to make alot of plays for you.
Hypothetical situation, Parker and Shelton are both available at #16, who do you pick and why? Do you fill our biggest need with a skilled player (Parker), or do you take the best NT prospect (Shelton) in the draft and a guy that looks like he's going to be a beast in the NFL?
I think you have to take Shelton just because the depth is so much greater at WR
If the Texans were as talented as many here think there wouldn't be this many needs?
beerlover
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Shelton should ascend somewhere in the Top 10. If he drops Texans may want to consider trading up two spots ahead of San Francisco.
White gone for sure, probably Parker as well, not so sure about Cooper because there are some really good slot receivers later to be had, if there @ #16 would you select him or trade pick to a team like Philly, only dropping four picks but adding a 3rd?
I like Brown but as a 5 tech DE.
badboy
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As stated he can play Nose but in 2014 he played NT, DT and DE. He is very fast.
Todd McShay http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...12/17/7408645/todd-mcshay-mock-draft-steelers
Texecutioner
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He was a stud on Pittsburg when he had Big Ben. He had really good numbers when he left there in FA. He left there, because Pitt wasn't willing to pay what a ton of other teams were around the league. Pitt is probably one of the best WR drafting teams in the league. Marshall didn't light the world on fire when he went to Miami a few years ago. He had pretty much the exact type of experience and was out of there two years later.
badboy
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Good to see your post, beginning to think I was the only one that saw his value at DE. Yes, he can play Nose and last season did so but he is so fast and quick, he will generate sacks at DE. I think I am on same page with you scheming him, Nix/Wilfork and Watt with some go get 'em OLBs. Those first three can rotate two positions and keep pressure on the QB.
beerlover
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Coming around to going with Arik Armstead more if there #16. Checks all the boxes, fits scheme, helps cap space going forward, positive addition to roster. Last word on sports had this to say -
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badboy
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I can see why and he is moving up some mocks. I was very high on him pre-injury and he seems to have come back well. I have him ranked late first to early 2nd (injury history hard to ignore) so a trade down or he is gone by 51. I just like Malcom Brown more.
Here is a very lengthy article on him I enjoyed
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/10/arik_armstead_dreams_big_insid.html
I like the potential this guy represents, tall, long arms, athletic, etc... but this pick at #16 would be based solely on future potential. I watched a little film on him after seeing him listed at #16 in your recent mock and Armstead looks the part of a 3-4 DE but he gets off the snap slow and for all his athletic build he's rather slow in the 40 at the Combine. Is he the next JJ Watt, Julius Peppers or is he the next looks like Tarzan plays like Jane prospect? He makes me nervous at #16.
In a worst case scenario where all the top players at QB, CB, WR, DT, LB are gone, what would you guys think of taking Cameron Erving-OT/C at #16? I know O-linemen aren't sexy picks in the 1st round but the guy has great versatility on the O-line which would be a great asset. Improving the O-line has really helped Dallas over the last couple years and it would help with the run game and pass protection/QB protection, or are we convinced that Ben Jones is the answer at Center.
beerlover
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If all three WR's off the board (White, Cooper Parker) run on 3-4 OLB's too then I have no problem building either side of trench. When I did my last mock (7.0) I was factoring in possible Texans free agents in 2016. Another reason why I went with Armstead #16, to replace Crick, not sure we have a lot of quality depth here unless Nix/Wilfork. Defeintly need more help on DL than OL but its close. So much depends on injury front defensively.
Erving is as sure a pick as their is in this draft. I still like Brown more and am willing to gamble on Dupree if there. Not a fan of Armstead, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
badboy
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Agree, him and Scherff have high floors.
Scherff just posted a 7.07 3-cone at his pro day(!)
badboy
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Should not #16 be a starter?
Why not at #16? If SteelB and Playoffs are correct, "high floor" and "as sure a pick as their is in this draft", and I agree with them, then why not at #16. Cameron Erving is currently listed as the #25 overall ranked player in the draft by CBS. Is 9 spots in the 1st round really a reach? This question isn't just for BB, it's for everyone. At #16, where it seems the elite level talent is already gone, and with our less than stellar track record in the draft, shouldn't we be looking for a sure thing or player with a high floor? Maybe at the end of the night when the bars are closing we take home the pretty brunette ranked as a 7 instead of the OMG blonde with the big rack that every guy wants and ranked as a 10 who's probably out of our league anyway. Where's TPN with some pictures when we need him. Erving could lock down the Center position for the next 5 years, unless we think Ben Jones is the answer, and be our swing tackle if needed, or honestly the guy would probably be high quality depth at all 5 O-line positions. This brings another question, won't Ben Jones be a FA soon, maybe next year, not sure?
My question, (Is 9 spots in the 1st round really a reach?) brings up a new question for everyone, maybe a new thread. What's your definition of a "reach"?
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