Source: Texans Front Office This Offseason “Will Be Interesting”

[texan279]

Houston (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans still have a lot of season to play on the field, but the offseason for the Texans front office could be heavy with movement.

A source inside the Texans told SportsRadio 610 that the “feeling is things will be interesting” in the front office this offseason. Things have been interesting during the season between the Texans head coach Bill O’Brien and General Manager Rick Smith as the team spiraled to 2-5 record before their current three-game winning streak. That three-game winning streak has seen the benching of two high salary players in safety Rahim Moore and tight end Garrett Graham.

SportsRadio 610 was told both of those players were signings that were Rick Smith’s “decisions.” Graham signed for $11.25 million over three years before 2014 and Moore for 3-years and $12 million before this season. Moore was a healthy scratch after the Texans were destroyed by the Dolphins 44-26 in week seven. Graham was benched after Ryan Griffin passed him on the depth chart immediately after coming off of IR designated to return in week nine.

O’Brien has said numerous times this season that practice determines who plays and he is showing he does not care what kind of money the player is paid he is trying to get the best 53 men on the field every week for the Texans.

There is no clear sign that Moore and Graham were benched for any other reason than poor play, but the talk of a rift between the coach and GM has had news of Owner Bob McNair having to choose between the two this offseason. If McNair chooses to replace Smith, many point to director of pro personnel Brian Gaine as the replacement. Gaine is on the list of candidates for the already vacant Detroit Lions GM job. If the Texans want to retain Gaine they would need to promote him for a second straight off-season, but the next spot up on the ladder is currently occupied by Rick Smith.




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[ChampionTexan]

There is no clear sign that Moore and Graham were benched for any other reason than poor play, but the talk of a rift between the coach and GM has had news of Owner Bob McNair having to choose between the two this offseason. If McNair chooses to replace Smith, many point to director of pro personnel Brian Gaine as the replacement. Gaine is on the list of candidates for the already vacant Detroit Lions GM job.


If the Texans want to retain Gaine they would need to promote him for a second straight off-season, but the next spot up on the ladder is currently occupied by Rick Smith.

Make it happen Rick!...oh, wait...

 

[Texian]

Music to my ears, Hope McNair has figured out that O'Brien doesn't get along well with others, his eye for talent is as bad as Smith's and that Smith is not very good at what he does.

 

[Lucky]

I don't like the idea of moving Gaine up to GM. He would just be a yes man to O'Brien, who hasn't earned that kind of power. And what exactly has Gaine done? I would like to see someone outside the organization that has final authority. Someone with a track record of success.

 

[EllisUnit]

Music to my ears, Hope McNair has figured out that O'Brien doesn't get along well with others, his eye for talent is as bad as Smith's and that Smith is not very good at what he does.

So what are you saying...Both should be gone ?

 

[Thorn]

Just because something is interesting doesn't mean anything is happening. Watching cats play is interesting, but is of no consequence.

I'll believe the Houston Texans changing when I see it.

 

[Marshall]

Just because something is interesting doesn't mean anything is happening. Watching cats play is interesting, but is of no consequence.

I'll believe the Houston Texans changing when I see it.

I'm not so easily convinced. Seeing it is only the first step.

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

I don't know if it will happen until I see it. However, if Rick is going to be replaced and uncle Bob doesn't want him to go to other organization, just give him other title to let him stay within Texans organization for awhile to see if it was Rick's fault. At the same time, you can see how BOB would do with new GM and if it is on BOB. Or, could be on both. Who knows. Whatever the reason, please fix it uncle Bob.

 

[Troy Chapman]

Still not a fan of HC having personnel control. O'Brien wants his guy. Head coach should coach the players that the GM puts on the roster.

 

[DBCooper]

Just because something is interesting doesn't mean anything is happening. Watching cats play is interesting, but is of no consequence.

I'll believe the Houston Texans changing when I see it.

Of consequence to the mouse though....

 

[Marshall]

Still not a fan of HC having personnel control. O'Brien wants his guy. Head coach should coach the players that the GM puts on the roster.

That's the old Landry-Schramm model. Landry told Schramm to find him athletes and he (Landry) would make them football players. At least that is the story I've heard.

 

[otisbean]

So what are you saying...Both should be gone ?

I think If the rest of the season goes well then BOB should be given one more year. We know Smith isn't good at his job as a talent evaluator, our drafting was mediocre under Kubiak and has been less than stellar with OB, and smith has been the constant.
Remove Smith and see what BOB does with a new GM, if there's no improvement than we should move on from BOB as well.

 

[Lurvinator11]

Remember last season when there were reports of Rick getting a promotion so BOB could bring in someone he wanted for GM? This was the hottest news going into the last game of the season with huge insiders reporting on it (including La Confora and Schefter) And the what happened? Nothing. We continued to go forward with Smith. I want Smith gone as much as the next guy, but when it comes to reports like this, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[DocBar]

I'm good with OB staying. Since the Miami debacle, I've seen a well coached football team that is playing winning football. I'm close to getting off of the "clean house" bandwagon. OB seems to have really turned it around.

 

[Showtime100]

I'm eating crow as soon as the turkey sandwiches run out. Crow tastes good with winning football.

The play calling suddenly is the right call for the situation and the defense has gelled. Neither was happening just a few short weeks ago.

 

[Thorn]

I'm eating crow as soon as the turkey sandwiches run out. Crow tastes good with winning football.

The play calling suddenly is the right call for the situation and the defense has gelled. Neither was happening just a few short weeks ago.

It helps to have a running game that works. It helps even more when you're playing a craptastic defense while your defense is playing lights out. I'm still not completely sold on Blue yet, a blind 100 year old man could have gained yards on the Saints today. I like what I see from the other RBs though.

 

[JCTexan]

I'm eating crow as soon as the turkey sandwiches run out. Crow tastes good with winning football.

The play calling suddenly is the right call for the situation and the defense has gelled. Neither was happening just a few short weeks ago.

Weeks? It's been a month of winning football. And yeah, I'm back on OB's bandwagon when I wasn't after the Miami debacle. Winning cures all, eh?

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Music to my ears, Hope McNair has figured out that O'Brien doesn't get along well with others, his eye for talent is as bad as Smith's and that Smith is not very good at what he does.

Players seemed to really like O'Brien today. That was on3 of the things I noticed this game. It was like he was one of them at times.

 

[infantrycak]

Still not a fan of HC having personnel control. O'Brien wants his guy. Head coach should coach the players that the GM puts on the roster.

You, someone, please explain this. How does it make any sense for some guy, not a coach, to pick people and hand them to a coach?

In what world does it make sense that some non-coach, not my system guy is going to be better at picking the players?

Makes no sense. You want Jimmy Johnson to lead your team you let him do the shopping.

 

[Texian]

That's the old Landry-Schramm model. Landry told Schramm to find him athletes and he (Landry) would make them football players. At least that is the story I've heard.

Tex put Gil Brandt in charge of college players and the draft and Landry was fine with it. That process has been a bit refined, now it's Director of Pro Personnel and Director of College Personnel and the GM is still the band leader.

You, someone, please explain this. How does it make any sense for some guy, not a coach, to pick people and hand them to a coach?

In what world does it make sense that some non-coach, not my system guy is going to be better at picking the players?

Makes no sense. You want Jimmy Johnson to lead your team you let him do the shopping.

Works in GB, BAL, NYG, and with quite a few other teams. How many Jimmy Johnsons are available to coach my team? If JJ will come coach my team he gets the keys to the Kingdom. Coach think addresses immediate needs and season at hand, GM sees a bigger picture, a 4 year plan and plans accordingly. I believe a scout working 60-80 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, can better evaluate college talent than most NFL HC. There is only one Head Coach that I would give the keys to the kingdom and that's Jimbo Fisher. Fisher a Saban protege learned the Belichick Saban process, uses it and operates it and has proved that he can win more football games than most.

 

[Marcus]

You, someone, please explain this. How does it make any sense for some guy, not a coach, to pick people and hand them to a coach?

In what world does it make sense that some non-coach, not my system guy is going to be better at picking the players?

Makes no sense. You want Jimmy Johnson to lead your team you let him do the shopping.

That doesn't make any sense to me either. The HC should be able to choose players that fit his philosophy. Not rely on someone else to choose for him.

 

[Scooter]

That doesn't make any sense to me either. The HC should be able to choose players that fit his philosophy. Not rely on someone else to choose for him.

Then you end up with situations like Chris Polk. O'Brien was super excited about him because he played against Polk once, and in his mind added 100 yards to Polk's 50 yard day. Bad idea to have one guy hold all the chips, because he's human.

That leads into agreeing with Texian about the time needed to be put in to properly evaluate players, as well as manage the army of scouts. The short term vs long term visions. And I'll add that a coach is too close. He rarely has the perspective of combining team needs, value and availability. Coaching views trend more towards wants than needs.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm good with OB staying. Since the Miami debacle, I've seen a well coached football team that is playing winning football. I'm close to getting off of the "clean house" bandwagon. OB seems to have really turned it around.

I can get on board with this. I think Hardknocks hurt us like we thought it would, maybe a little worse. We're still in preseason form five weeks into the season. Some due to injury, but being behind schedule getting our line ups, formations, & rotations figured out.

Still. I need to see Hoyer play like a competent QB against a half decent defense. KC shut him down. The Bengals shut him down. Would have been nice to see him against the Jets. He looked aiight against the Tacks & Saints... Buffalo, Patriots, Colts. In games that matter... that's going to tell me who Hoyer really is.

If he looks like that guy that wet his pants against KC, or the guy stymied by the Bengals. .. I hope O'Brien is ran out of town with Slick Rick.

 

[Hervoyel]

Two things basically have our season completely screwed up and both happened early in the year. First, the QB revolving door which OB has basically fessed up to, apologized for, and stopped. The team and the QB have responded since then. Now granted the QB is Brian Hoyer so telling the difference between a good day and a bad day is tough to do sometimes but there it is. Second has been the loss of Arian Foster. I'd say "losses" really because we lost him before things ever got started and then just when we thought he was coming back and might be a factor we lost him again and this time we lost him for the rest of the season.

IF we had Arian Foster all year and IF O'Brien hadn't dicked around with the starting QB decision I think this team would have come together sooner and played better. I think we'd be sitting at 8-3 right now with additional wins against two out of three of the Chiefs, Panthers, and Colts.

I don't doubt for a second we'd have at least one more win and be in sole possession of first place in the division.

Raheem Moore was a bad signing. It looked like a good signing and most of us were onboard but it didn't work out. Our inside linebackers started slow with Cushing coming back around slowly and McKinney being a rookie and being hurt but overall we're not nearly as crap as we like to think we are (and as Brian Hoyer sometimes makes us look like we are).

I think we beat Buffalo before coming back to earth against the Patriots here or maybe we lose in Buffalo and New England's many injuries finally catch up with them. Either way we're probably looking at 1-1 over the next two weeks and a 7-6 record when we go into Indianapolis. Based on what I've seen so far this year I'll take it.

If we manage to beat them both somehow this place is going to be crazy

 

[Hervoyel]

I can get on board with this. I think Hardknocks hurt us like we thought it would, maybe a little worse. We're still in preseason form five weeks into the season. Some due to injury, but being behind schedule getting our line ups, formations, & rotations figured out.

Still. I need to see Hoyer play like a competent QB against a half decent defense. KC shut him down. The Bengals shut him down. Would have been nice to see him against the Jets. He looked aiight against the Tacks & Saints... Buffalo, Patriots, Colts. In games that matter... that's going to tell me who Hoyer really is.

If he looks like that guy that wet his pants against KC, or the guy stymied by the Bengals. .. I hope O'Brien is ran out of town with Slick Rick.

You already know who Hoyer is and it isn't pretty. If we beat any of those teams (Buffalo, Patriots, Colts) it will be the defense that makes it possible. Not Brian Hoyer. He's capable of OK play for stretches but he does boneheaded stuff all the time and that's not going to change.

What makes him a competent QB is a defense that can hold the other team down and a running game. Having an OC who can call plays that protect him from being exposed isn't bad either.

 

[eriadoc]

I'm all for Smith getting canned, but that doesn't mean I'm off the Fire BO'B Bandwagon. O'Brien is still the guy that deliberately went out and got the QB that THE BROWNS DIDN'T EVEN WANT. Then he jerked the whole situation around with his QB carousel crap. And let's not pretend that O'Brien has selected all the good players the last two years and the duds have been on Rick Smith. Then there's the thought process behind letting guys like CJII and Keenum go because they're short and replacing them with tall guys who can't play.

I just can't trust that the guy knows what he's doing. I guess that's a step above Rick Smith, whom I've decided I know is mostly incompetent.

 

[Hervoyel]

I'm ready to see Rick move on to some other role or employer but I'm not entirely done with O'Brien yet. I think he's a work in progress but he seems to be learning. He's abrasive as hell and hard to listen to for very long but for now he's getting results. I'd like to see him working with a GM who wasn't Rick Smith.

 

[EllisUnit]

I'm all for Smith getting canned, but that doesn't mean I'm off the Fire BO'B Bandwagon. O'Brien is still the guy that deliberately went out and got the QB that THE BROWNS DIDN'T EVEN WANT. Then he jerked the whole situation around with his QB carousel crap. And let's not pretend that O'Brien has selected all the good players the last two years and the duds have been on Rick Smith. Then there's the thought process behind letting guys like CJII and Keenum go because they're short and replacing them with tall guys who can't play.

I just can't trust that the guy knows what he's doing. I guess that's a step above Rick Smith, whom I've decided I know is mostly incompetent.

In all fairness OB saw Hoyer in New England running with 2nd string, same as Mallett, sooooo who knows what he saw then. Honestly I think what hurt Mallett is him knowing OB would put Hoyer back in ASAP if he was struggling. That's why he played so conservative unlike when he got a shot last season.

 

[DocBar]

I'm all for Smith getting canned, but that doesn't mean I'm off the Fire BO'B Bandwagon. O'Brien is still the guy that deliberately went out and got the QB that THE BROWNS DIDN'T EVEN WANT. Then he jerked the whole situation around with his QB carousel crap. And let's not pretend that O'Brien has selected all the good players the last two years and the duds have been on Rick Smith. Then there's the thought process behind letting guys like CJII and Keenum go because they're short and replacing them with tall guys who can't play.

I just can't trust that the guy knows what he's doing. I guess that's a step above Rick Smith, whom I've decided I know is mostly incompetent.

Without knowing the actual dynamics and hierarchy of the team, on personnel matters, it's hard for me to assign blame. However, the Graham and Moore benchings are very telling. OB is distancing himself from those issues and the team has responded.
FWIW, I wouldn't mind seeing OB have total control. That boils it down to one person. And removes the guess work. OB has had 2 years to learn what he wants. He's also shown the ability to admit he's wrong, correct the situation and move forward. Just think of where the Browns might be if they hadn't fired BB. He had that team going in the right direction and took his lessons learned to the Pats. Just a few of my thoughts.


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[Hervoyel]

In all fairness OB saw Hoyer in New England running with 2nd string, same as Mallett, sooooo who knows what he saw then. Honestly I think what hurt Mallett is him knowing OB would put Hoyer back in ASAP if he was struggling. That's why he played so conservative unlike when he got a shot last season.

I think that's probably true and I think it also worked both ways. Hoyer was the same way. Both played very tight and very conservatively for the most part unless they were going out inheriting a mess from the other and trying to outshine the guy who just crapped the bed.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I'm ready to see Rick move on to some other role or employer but I'm not entirely done with O'Brien yet. I think he's a work in progress but he seems to be learning. He's abrasive as hell and hard to listen to for very long but for now he's getting results. I'd like to see him working with a GM who wasn't Rick Smith.

If he has another winning season this year (looking likely) then no way do you fire him. He hetter pick a QB in the first two rounds this upcoming draft though.

 

[Hervoyel]

Without knowing the actual dynamics and hierarchy of the team, on personnel matters, it's hard for me to assign blame. However, the Graham and Moore benchings are very telling. OB is distancing himself from those issues and the team has responded.
FWIW, I wouldn't mind seeing OB have total control. That boils it down to one person. And removes the guess work. OB has had 2 years to learn what he wants. He's also shown the ability to admit he's wrong, correct the situation and move forward. Just think of where the Browns might be if they hadn't fired BB. He had that team going in the right direction and took his lessons learned to the Pats. Just a few of my thoughts.


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I'd be good with it. Is it what most good teams do? No, not really but I'd be fine with Rick Smith getting out of the way and having a GM who basically did what O'Brien wanted (with that being the stated situation from the start). Now I'd rather have a great GM and a great HC but it's hard to tell what you're looking at when they don't appear to be on the same page all the time so I'd be happy to see what O'Brien running everything looked like. At least if he put the team in a ditch we'd know who was driving and who to blame.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'd like to see him working with a GM who wasn't Rick Smith.

If someone can convince me that it was Rick Smith who wanted Fitzpatrick when Tennessee didn't, or Hoyer when the Browns didn't, or Mallett when no one else wanted him, then I'd be interested in waiting a year to see OB with a real GM.

But I just can't see firing a guy for getting the HC exactly the players he wants. I mean I see failure there, but not on the GM.

 

[powda]

The single biggest factor preventing the offense from success is qb and rb. Rb i can mostly deal with due to the injury though some of us noticed a foster who was just a step slower last year (spout off whatever stats you like to combat that, i do not care.)

So who's accountable for wasting 2 off-seasons by not addressing qb? Yeah i know pipe dream savage was a 4th round project but no effort was made. Fix it this off-season.

Fitz and Hoyer? Gimme somebody with a future. No more bs....no excuses. I want a gm capable of keeping ob in check with the qb shuffle nonsense.

 

[steds]

You, someone, please explain this. How does it make any sense for some guy, not a coach, to pick people and hand them to a coach?

In what world does it make sense that some non-coach, not my system guy is going to be better at picking the players?

Makes no sense. You want Jimmy Johnson to lead your team you let him do the shopping.

Tex put Gil Brandt in charge of college players and the draft and Landry was fine with it. That process has been a bit refined, now it's Director of Pro Personnel and Director of College Personnel and the GM is still the band leader.



Works in GB, BAL, NYG, and with quite a few other teams. How many Jimmy Johnsons are available to coach my team? If JJ will come coach my team he gets the keys to the Kingdom. Coach think addresses immediate needs and season at hand, GM sees a bigger picture, a 4 year plan and plans accordingly. I believe a scout working 60-80 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, can better evaluate college talent than most NFL HC. There is only one Head Coach that I would give the keys to the kingdom and that's Jimbo Fisher. Fisher a Saban protege learned the Belichick Saban process, uses it and operates it and has proved that he can win more football games than most.

This is one of the things that, coming from the UK, confuses me slightly about American sports. Infantrycak's argument is the one that generally prevails in sports such as soccer, and almost every example that comes to mind of a Premier League club installing a GM type role has ended in disaster. I can certainly see the other side of it, particularly considering the sheer amount of college players that need to be evaluated each year. But I can't help wondering if Ozzie Newsome (or even John Elway) is so successful because, as a successful former player himself, he can speak the same language as his coaches in terms of looking for specific things on tape that apply to the X's and O's of the system you run; whereas someone who's spent their entire professional career in a front office, may think and talk in terms of measurables like a scout.

Could that be a thing or is it just inane rambling? And what sort of effect would Rick having to adapt to OB's scheme/philosophy have had? Would different language be involved? Would it be relatively easy to understand what different strengths you're looking for in a player and drill yourself into looking for them, with the ones that can't do that just being bad at their job? Or can evaluators just be a bad fit for a certain coaches philosophy in much the same way as a player can?

Wow. That's a lot of questions. Sorry.

 

[amazing80]

Not a fan of OB getting the keys. Look at Chip Kelly and the Eagles. FIre/promote Smith and hire someone more familiar with what OB wants, but don't give him the keys to the car.

 

[leebigeztx]

I think if they finish .500, nothing will change. Nothing has told me BOB has gained the insight to run a draft. From what I've seen, Rick gets the guys profiled by his coach. The coach tells the gm what he's looking for in players and the scouting department looks for those body types. If Kubes were here, no way they draft Fido and probably not xavier. Those were the types BOB wanted.

 

[DBCooper]

Works in GB, BAL, NYG, and with quite a few other teams. How many Jimmy Johnsons are available to coach my team? If JJ will come coach my team he gets the keys to the Kingdom. Coach think addresses immediate needs and season at hand, GM sees a bigger picture, a 4 year plan and plans accordingly. I believe a scout working 60-80 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, can better evaluate college talent than most NFL HC. There is only one Head Coach that I would give the keys to the kingdom and that's Jimbo Fisher. Fisher a Saban protege learned the Belichick Saban process, uses it and operates it and has proved that he can win more football games than most.

So, Bal being 3-7, and the NYG are 5-6; while our crap franchise is 6-5, and they (NYG and Bal) are the model of success?

I don't get it.

 

[thunderkyss]

This is one of the things that, coming from the UK, confuses me slightly about American sports. Infantrycak's argument is the one that generally prevails in sports such as soccer, and almost every example that comes to mind of a Premier League club installing a GM type role has ended in disaster. I can certainly see the other side of it, particularly considering the sheer amount of college players that need to be evaluated each year...

I don't see how a coach can truly study & evaluate the number of players he'd need to & coach a team through the regular season, much less an extended play off season.

Belichick must have a guy with Rick's position without the title. Someone who knows exactly what Bill is looking for, college or Pro.

Jimmy Johnson did it, kind of. He was coming right off a college team, a championship team & though many want to minimize Jerrah's influence, he had Jerry Jones.

 

[Thorn]

I think we beat Buffalo before coming back to earth against the Patriots here or maybe we lose in Buffalo and New England's many injuries finally catch up with them. Either way we're probably looking at 1-1 over the next two weeks and a 7-6 record when we go into Indianapolis. Based on what I've seen so far this year I'll take it.

If we manage to beat them both somehow this place is going to be crazy

What we REALLY need to happen this year is ending this crap with never winning in the Colt's house. We need to do that, this sh!t with us losing there all the time has to freaking stop.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

So, Bal being 3-7, and the NYG are 5-6; while our crap franchise is 6-5, and they (NYG and Bal) are the model of success?

I don't get it.

both of those organization have won superbowls in the last four seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/results/superbowl

 

[DBCooper]

both of those organization have won superbowls in the last four seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/results/superbowl

I don't care.

If they were so awesome, they'd always be awesome, right?

(Not getting snarky with you, just the idea)

 

[JB]

I don't see how a coach can truly study & evaluate the number of players he'd need to & coach a team through the regular season, much less an extended play off season.

Belichick must have a guy with Rick's position without the title. Someone who knows exactly what Bill is looking for, college or Pro.

Jimmy Johnson did it, kind of. He was coming right off a college team, a championship team & though many want to minimize Jerrah's influence, he had Jerry Jones.

He also had Herschel Walker and the Vikings

 

[JB]

There are hit and misses in every organization... I think the real telling point is the middle rounds where Smith and the scouting have more influence (my opinion) than the coaching staff. The coaches are probably pretty set with who they like in the early rounds but after that? They have to rely on scouts input at that point because there are just too many players to evaluate.

The first round has gone pretty well during Smith's tenure but after that?

 

[leebigeztx]

I don't see how a coach can truly study & evaluate the number of players he'd need to & coach a team through the regular season, much less an extended play off season.

Belichick must have a guy with Rick's position without the title. Someone who knows exactly what Bill is looking for, college or Pro.

Jimmy Johnson did it, kind of. He was coming right off a college team, a championship team & though many want to minimize Jerrah's influence, he had Jerry Jones.

Yep, BB is only of the only guys who can do it with free agency. When jimmy did it, their depth wasnt challenged till he was gone. BB has his scouts looking for certain guys. People tend to overlook the misses BB had because he has Brady. Look at those drafts with all those picks he missed.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I don't care.

If they were so awesome, they'd always be awesome, right?

(Not getting snarky with you, just the idea)

No person nor organization is always (good, bad, average). so while I "understand, " your standard is unrealistic and gives you an excuse to always "win" any discussion because that (team, coach, player) is not awesome at a particular moment.

 

[DBCooper]

No person nor organization is always (good, bad, average). so while I "understand, " your standard is unrealistic and gives you an excuse to always "win" any discussion because that (team, coach, player) is not awesome at a particular moment.

Very true.

But that's what I wanted to portray.

I'm tired of Rick Smith, but this idea that the GM needs to pick the players doesn't make any sense to me.

If I'm a coach, I want my players.

(And I don't believe that the Ravens are all that because of Ozzie, I think some things panned out, now they aren't)

 

[dream_team]

You, someone, please explain this. How does it make any sense for some guy, not a coach, to pick people and hand them to a coach?

In what world does it make sense that some non-coach, not my system guy is going to be better at picking the players?

Makes no sense. You want Jimmy Johnson to lead your team you let him do the shopping.

I used to think that too, until I saw Chip Kelly totally destroy the Eagles. He's a coach that shouldn't have any GM responsibilities.

 

[sandman]

No person nor organization is always (good, bad, average). so while I "understand, " your standard is unrealistic and gives you an excuse to always "win" any discussion because that (team, coach, player) is not awesome at a particular moment.

The Giants have been to the playoffs once in the last seven seasons. The year they won the Super Bowl. The general consensus is they were a 9-7 team that got hot in the playoffs, not a model franchise. No one wins the SB every year, but the model franchises consistently get into the playoffs. The Giants don't.

 

[Norg]

I say no matter what happens we should fire Rick smith / thread