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Dom Capers

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Yaters Gonna Yate.
Looks like a member of the Texans 'D-saster' era is going to big D.

Jerry Jones said last week that the three coaching opening would give Wade Phillips a chance to fill the defense with coaches in line with his philosophy.

But it looks more in more like the coaches the Cowboys have hired and are looking at are a better fit for a coaching staff under Jason Garrett _ the team’s supposed head coach in waiting.

The Cowboys have already hired offensive line coach Hudson Houck who was with the Cowboys when Garrett was a a backup quarterback and coached with Garrett in Miami.

They are looking at Dave Campo as secondary coach. Campo has no ties to Wade Phillips and no experience coaching the 3-4. But he does know Garrett from his days as Cowboys assistant and head coach.

But the linchpin is the team’s interest in Dom Capers. Capers coached with Garrett in Miami. He was also expected to be Garrett’s defensive coordinator if he was named head coach in Baltimore.

He has no ties to Phillips. Now while he does run the 3-4, which is Phillips’ preferred defense, Capers’ style of 3-4 is different from the Phillips 3-4.

There is no question that the Cowboys could be hiring two good experienced coaches.

But is something else at work?

You connect the dots.
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Link - :cowboy1:
 
Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
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Dude never addressed the safety position and drafted no linebackers for the future. How can you expect to be successful like that? I know he isn't the GM, but he was there for long enough to sway picks his way.
 
I feel sorry for Wade. Good guy that doesn't deserve what's in store for him whether it be this year or next year.

Jerry Jones is, and always will be an asshat. :elle:
 
TexansSeminole said:
Dude never addressed the safety position and drafted no linebackers for the future. How can you expect to be successful like that? I know he isn't the GM, but he was there for long enough to sway picks his way.
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The GM failed to fill the Safety position. The one year we brought in Marlon McRee we had good play and went 7-9 in Year 3. Casserley let McRee leave in favor of Glenn Earl. The lack of Safety play is on Casserley not Capers, imho of course and I respect your opinion however you feel.

When you let quality veterans like Glenn, McRee, and Sharper go, its no surprise when your team dynamic goes to crap and you go 2-14. Capers didn't cut/release/trade those guys. Cass did. 2-14 was on Cass ultimately but Casserley bought himself another few months by throwing Capers under the bus.
 
In all fairness to Dom Capers, he has been associated with some pretty good 3-4 defenses i.e. Pittsburgh in '92 and the Panthers... I think the D sucked here because Fangio as much as anyone had to do with it.. The personnel in Dallas gives him a lot more to work with than he had in Miami...

Don't forget, Wade was an assisant coach with the Oilers (LB's including Dr. Doom), whenever the Oilers introduced the league to the 3-4.

With that said, they could make a formidable duo....

Oh, but wait. It's the Cowboys..... Nevermind.



Lest we also forget, Wade has a hot daughter...

TracyPhillipsHasJugs.jpg
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
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One day I will understand your inconsistancy as to when you place blame on coaches and GM. Casserly did a lot of bad things in the draft, especially making horrible trades and giving up a lot of picks for bad players. At the same time he was drafting players Capers said would fit his system, the 3-4. TJ and Babin did not fit a 3-4 defense, so that part has to belong to Capers.

The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
 
Texan_Bill said:
In all fairness to Dom Capers, he has been associated with some pretty good 3-4 defenses i.e. Pittsburgh in '92 and the Panthers... I think the D sucked here because Fangio as much as anyone had to do with it.. The personnel in Dallas gives him a lot more to work with than he had in Miami...

Don't forget, Wade was an assisant coach with the Oilers (LB's including Dr. Doom), whenever the Oilers introduced the league to the 3-4.

With that said, they could make a formidable duo....

Oh, but wait. It's the Cowboys..... Nevermind.



Lest we also forget, Wade has a hot daughter...

TracyPhillipsHasJugs.jpg
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quality avatar change. much better 'resolution'.

oh yes, Wade's daughter is a total hottie. Maybe Romo doesn't have to look too far for a new girlfriend post-Jessica. :)
 
Specnatz said:
One day I will understand your inconsistancy as to when you place blame on coaches and GM. Casserly did a lot of bad things in the draft, especially making horrible trades and giving up a lot of picks for bad players. At the same time he was drafting players Capers said would fit his system, the 3-4. TJ and Babin did not fit a 3-4 defense, so that part has to belong to Capers.

The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
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what is inconsistent? its Casserley's responsibility to find players to improve the team. he failed to do so. so the failures of Casserley, of which there are legion, are all because Capers told him who to draft? Casserley was always so anxious to try and prove that he knew more than anyone else and it ultimately cost the Texans dearly. I put that on Casserley. Capers can only play with the players given to him. Casserley always fell in love with workout warriors (Carr, Babin) and would forego common sense just to try and prove he knew more than average Joe fan.

look at how much the talent has improved since Casserley was kicked to the curb? Our GM was very bad, terminally bad, and there is nothing you can say to make me think otherwise. God Bless Rick Smith.
 
Specnatz said:
The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
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First:
Capers is responsible for 4 years.

Second:
2002 the Houston Texans were ranked 16th overall. Thats not 'way below average'
2004 19th ranked overall Defense.

So two of Caper's four seasons, the D was middle of the pack.

Dom can be faulted for hiring his buddy Fangio, after Fangio was run out of Indy...

As far as being a guru, Pittsburgh's defense was pretty stout in 92. The Carolina Panthers had a good defense. Jacksonville's D wasn't too shabby... So if Capers is solely to blame for the Texans woes, maybe its the air or something because he has been mildly successful elsewhere.
 
Now with all of that said. I am GLAD Dom has departed, but lets be real when we are discussing the overall body of work.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
The GM failed to fill the Safety position. The one year we brought in Marlon McRee we had good play and went 7-9 in Year 3. Casserley let McRee leave in favor of Glenn Earl. The lack of Safety play is on Casserley not Capers, imho of course and I respect your opinion however you feel.

When you let quality veterans like Glenn, McRee, and Sharper go, its no surprise when your team dynamic goes to crap and you go 2-14. Capers didn't cut/release/trade those guys. Cass did. 2-14 was on Cass ultimately but Casserley bought himself another few months by throwing Capers under the bus.
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I don't think you are accurately depicting the actual events and each needs to be handled separately as there is not such a bright line rule.

McCree and Foley for instance the coaches did not want retained so Casserly took no action to sign them.

Sharper was a total team decision as the doctors had concerns about his knee (which turned out to be true) and of course Casserly had cap concerns. I'd bet Casserly made final decision on this one but not without Capers' input.

Glenn was unique--they planned on keeping him and he asked to be let go.

Coaches often have much heavier input on who gets let go.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
what is inconsistent? its Casserley's responsibility to find players to improve the team. he failed to do so. so the failures of Casserley, of which there are legion, are all because Capers told him who to draft? Casserley was always so anxious to try and prove that he knew more than anyone else and it ultimately cost the Texans dearly. I put that on Casserley. Capers can only play with the players given to him. Casserley always fell in love with workout warriors (Carr, Babin) and would forego common sense just to try and prove he knew more than average Joe fan.

look at how much the talent has improved since Casserley was kicked to the curb? Our GM was very bad, terminally bad, and there is nothing you can say to make me think otherwise. God Bless Rick Smith.
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Texan_Bill said:
First:
Capers is responsible for 4 years.

Second:
2002 the Houston Texans were ranked 16th overall. Thats not 'way below average'
2004 19th ranked overall Defense.

So two of Caper's four seasons, the D was middle of the pack.

Dom can be faulted for hiring his buddy Fangio, after Fangio was run out of Indy...

As far as being a guru, Pittsburgh's defense was pretty stout in 92. The Carolina Panthers had a good defense. Jacksonville's D wasn't too shabby... So if Capers is solely to blame for the Texans woes, maybe its the air or something because he has been mildly successful elsewhere.
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Yall were missing my point I did not blame just one I blamed both. Bill I guess I forgot the D was that good those two years. SH, so the GM should just find players he likes and be damned what the HC, OC and DC say are players that would fit into there system? All of them have to be on the same page to get the players needed for a successful organization.

Blaming one for all the players is just foolish thinking, Capers had input on players and to say it was all Asserly's fault is not only wrong it is dead wrong.
 
First, wow on Wade Phillips Daughter.

That said, Capers brought in Fangio, Pendry and Chris Palmer.

I'm still quite confused on Chris Palmer's Claim to coaching fame. Maybe if he something better to work with true on Carr but even then any coach worth his offensive mettle would've said okay David,scrap everything you learned from Fresno State and we're going to re-teach you how to play QB in the NFL. Not saying he would've been successful but at least shown marketable improvement. It took so long to see what Kubiak came in and showed McNair in ONE season.

Far as drafting and evaluating players that has to go on Capers, his staff, AND Casserly. All three share mutual blame IMO. Far as the defense plummeting it shouldn't be a surprise when you make a youth movement and retain NO vets to help the transition. That again goes on the trifecta blame. I'll Add Dan Ferens to that list as well.

Far as today goes we just clawed out of that bad situation. We've trimmed most of the bad contracts out and have a good headcoach now. We've just completed adding two superior quality assistant coaches to our staff. To top it off we've got a great GM who is good evaluator of talent and is on the same page as this staff. Add in a great stadium, excellent fanbase and hopefully this all will add up to make this an attractive place and situation for players to come.
 
Goldensilence said:
First, wow on Wade Phillips Daughter.

That said, Capers brought in Fangio, Pendry and Chris Palmer.

I'm still quite confused on Chris Palmer's Claim to coaching fame. Maybe if he something better to work with true on Carr but even then any coach worth his offensive mettle would've said okay David,scrap everything you learned from Fresno State and we're going to re-teach you how to play QB in the NFL. Not saying he would've been successful but at least shown marketable improvement. It took so long to see what Kubiak came in and showed McNair in ONE season.

Far as drafting and evaluating players that has to go on Capers, his staff, AND Casserly. All three share mutual blame IMO. Far as the defense plummeting it shouldn't be a surprise when you make a youth movement and retain NO vets to help the transition. That again goes on the trifecta blame. I'll Add Dan Ferens to that list as well.

Far as today goes we just clawed out of that bad situation. We've trimmed most of the bad contracts out and have a good headcoach now. We've just completed adding two superior quality assistant coaches to our staff. To top it off we've got a great GM who is good evaluator of talent and is on the same page as this staff. Add in a great stadium, excellent fanbase and hopefully this all will add up to make this an attractive place and situation for players to come.
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*WINNER* Post of the day.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
The GM failed to fill the Safety position. The one year we brought in Marlon McRee we had good play and went 7-9 in Year 3. Casserley let McRee leave in favor of Glenn Earl. The lack of Safety play is on Casserley not Capers, imho of course and I respect your opinion however you feel.

When you let quality veterans like Glenn, McRee, and Sharper go, its no surprise when your team dynamic goes to crap and you go 2-14. Capers didn't cut/release/trade those guys. Cass did. 2-14 was on Cass ultimately but Casserley bought himself another few months by throwing Capers under the bus.
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Not accurate. Capers gave the FS job to Marcus Coleman once we drafted D-Rob, and never gave McCree the time of day after that. I put Capers on the spot on the radio, and he pretty well confirmed it in coachspeak ("well, we think Coleman can do a great job, and we like McCree too ... he'll be a situational player ... " yadda yada).

Capers failed in many areas. First and foremost, he utterly failed to develop any players. What players came here under Capers and got better once he left? Hell, even DC was better under Kubiak for a while, even after he was shot. Robinson declined until Kubiak got here. Gaffney declined until he got out of Houston. McCree was left to rot on the bench. Capers wanted nothing to do with Clark Haggans, who went on to start for Pittsburgh. Steve Foley had his best year away from the Texans. I believe Capers sent Greg White away. Seth Wand had as much potential as any lineman we had at the time, and was put in Pendry's dog house. Babin was Capers' choice as the next Kevin Greene, as if. Weary didn't do a damn thimng under Capers, but all of a sudden he's starter material once Capers is gone. AJ has had much better work ethic and hands since Capers has been gone. Capers never seemed to uncover any finds like Anthony Maddox or Earl Cochran or Von Hutchins, etc .... .guys that aren't stars, but are integral parts of winning teams. I could probably go on for even longer.

Capers failed this franchise as much as Casserly did. In fact, on the talent evaluation side of things, I would argue that Casserly brought in some good players that Capers either ruined or failed to develop. Casserly overpaid for many of those guys, both in contract dollars and draft picks, but there was more talent on this team than what Capers developed.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Now we're talkin. :heart:

I keep having the same thought pop into my head when I see these photos. Do you think the guy that is lucky enough to do the EE-ER, EE-ER with her has visions of Bum and Wade? :elle:
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Geeeez!!! I wouldn't have thought about Bum or Wade until you mentioned it... :gun:
 
eriadoc said:
Not accurate. Capers gave the FS job to Marcus Coleman once we drafted D-Rob, and never gave McCree the time of day after that. I put Capers on the spot on the radio, and he pretty well confirmed it in coachspeak ("well, we think Coleman can do a great job, and we like McCree too ... he'll be a situational player ... " yadda yada).

Capers failed in many areas. First and foremost, he utterly failed to develop any players. What players came here under Capers and got better once he left? Hell, even DC was better under Kubiak for a while, even after he was shot. Robinson declined until Kubiak got here. Gaffney declined until he got out of Houston. McCree was left to rot on the bench. Capers wanted nothing to do with Clark Haggans, who went on to start for Pittsburgh. Steve Foley had his best year away from the Texans. I believe Capers sent Greg White away. Seth Wand had as much potential as any lineman we had at the time, and was put in Pendry's dog house. Babin was Capers' choice as the next Kevin Greene, as if. Weary didn't do a damn thimng under Capers, but all of a sudden he's starter material once Capers is gone. AJ has had much better work ethic and hands since Capers has been gone. Capers never seemed to uncover any finds like Anthony Maddox or Earl Cochran or Von Hutchins, etc .... .guys that aren't stars, but are integral parts of winning teams. I could probably go on for even longer.

Capers failed this franchise as much as Casserly did. In fact, on the talent evaluation side of things, I would argue that Casserly brought in some good players that Capers either ruined or failed to develop. Casserly overpaid for many of those guys, both in contract dollars and draft picks, but there was more talent on this team than what Capers developed.
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Capers was a failure as a head coach in Houston but not at the same level as Casserley being a failure as a GM. Casserley chose Carr and both he and McNair decided to resign Carr. Capers had nothing to do with that, and lets just say that move didn't exactly work out well. I blame Casserley for the lack of talent not Capers. If you have talent you can be coached up, so many of the guys Casserley drafted arent even in the league. Both failed, I think Casserley failed more imho.
 
GMs are supposed to draft players that the coach wants, and sign players that the coach wants. Coaching philosphy is huge when deciding who to draft/sign. While Casserly made some dumb-dumb decisions, Capers never used the talent that Casserly did bring along.

Capers was supposed to be a 3-4 guru yet he consistantly failed to nab defensive lineman and outside linebackers, the most important aspects of the 3-4. If we actually had a team that was successful at the 3-4 before Kubiak came, we would be having a much harder time transitioning.

eriadoc said:
Capers failed this franchise as much as Casserly did. In fact, on the talent evaluation side of things, I would argue that Casserly brought in some good players that Capers either ruined or failed to develop. Casserly overpaid for many of those guys, both in contract dollars and draft picks, but there was more talent on this team than what Capers developed.
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Exactly.

Getting rid of players seems like something the coach would make a decision on. The GM doesn't have to coach and interact with players very much. If the organization was having a problem with a player, the coach is the one who is going to be asking for the guy to be cut, not the GM.

You think GMs draft players without the coach saying, "Yes this kid seems coachable and will fit my system"? It's not like the GM just drafts players and walks to the HC's office and says, "Here are your new players."
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Capers was a failure as a head coach in Houston but not at the same level as Casserley being a failure as a GM. Casserley chose Carr and both he and McNair decided to resign Carr. Capers had nothing to do with that, and lets just say that move didn't exactly work out well. I blame Casserley for the lack of talent not Capers. If you have talent you can be coached up, so many of the guys Casserley drafted arent even in the league. Both failed, I think Casserley failed more imho.
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There are and were other players besides Carr

It is not all about Carr; for most of us anyway.
 
I guess Capers was Head Coach AND General Manager. I didn't realize that, sorry. Capers was holding Casserley back, obviously.

Well if Capers was so bad, I guess he would have no one to blame but himself, considering he would have hired himself in the first place.

But nah, that was Dom's fault too and it was Dom's fault of course, geez how could I have been so wrong, because after all, Dom was the guy who drafted Carr and TJ and Joppru and Ragone and Milford Brown and Hollins and Wand and Charles Hill and Morency and Babin and giving up half your draft to a division rival to move up to get a guy you could have had anyway with the whole Babin fiasco. Oh and don't get me started about all the bad Capers free agent moves. Capers u r teh suxxorzz.

It's all Capers fault. I bet he even called Casserley after he was fired and personally pleaded for him to pick up the maximum option on David's rookie contract. Casserley is just an old softie. It was all Dom's fault.....yet good old Charlie remains jobless.....hmmmmmmm..i wonder why?

I guess being responsible for drafting 2 of the biggest QB busts in NFL history isn't exactly a feather in your cap. Heath Shuler and David Carr. Not exactly a bullet point you want on your resume, I guess. Maybe he could put an asterisk by it *was Dom's fault
 
When talking about Casserly and the Washington Redskins success in the same breath...... I've got two names for you:

Bobby (and) Bethard.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Now we're talkin. :heart:

I keep having the same thought pop into my head when I see these photos. Do you think the guy that is lucky enough to do the EE-ER, EE-ER with her has visions of Bum and Wade? :elle:
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Okay... I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have visions of Bum or Wade, now:

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Second Honeymoon said:
I guess Capers was Head Coach AND General Manager. I didn't realize that, sorry. Capers was holding Casserley back, obviously.

Well if Capers was so bad, I guess he would have no one to blame but himself, considering he would have hired himself in the first place.

But nah, that was Dom's fault too and it was Dom's fault of course, geez how could I have been so wrong, because after all, Dom was the guy who drafted Carr and TJ and Joppru and Ragone and Milford Brown and Hollins and Wand and Charles Hill and Morency and Babin and giving up half your draft to a division rival to move up to get a guy you could have had anyway with the whole Babin fiasco. Oh and don't get me started about all the bad Capers free agent moves. Capers u r teh suxxorzz.

It's all Capers fault. I bet he even called Casserley after he was fired and personally pleaded for him to pick up the maximum option on David's rookie contract. Casserley is just an old softie. It was all Dom's fault.....yet good old Charlie remains jobless.....hmmmmmmm..i wonder why?

I guess being responsible for drafting 2 of the biggest QB busts in NFL history isn't exactly a feather in your cap. Heath Shuler and David Carr. Not exactly a bullet point you want on your resume, I guess. Maybe he could put an asterisk by it *was Dom's fault
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I don't think anyone here and myself is taking away any of the blame for Casserly. I just believe both deserve equal blame because BOTH failed to do their jobs in one capacity or another.I don't see how one trumps the other completely anyway.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3229495

After going from a favorite for the Washington Redskins head coaching job to being fired, Gregg Williams may land on his feet.

Dallas media reported on Sunday that the former Redskins defensive coordinator interviewed with the Cowboys for a role on their staff.

The former Buffalo Bills head coach interviewed numerous times for the head coaching position with the Redskins but was ultimately let go last week by owner Daniel Snyder.

The current Cowboys defensive coordinator is Brian Stewart. Reports out of Dallas also said that longtime NFL coach Dom Capers interviewed for a position on the defensive staff. It's not clear which roles Capers or Williams would fill.
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