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Have Watt and Co. Learned from the Letterman Jackets?

sandman said:
You remind me of my dad. He always feels compelled to argue the opposite side of where everyone is at, just to be contentious. And like you, he does it in a smug tone like he is trying to teach all of us a lesson. I tend to walk away from him when he starts in, and I think I'll do the same here. Have a good day.
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Yeah. My kids do that too and walk right into the same mistakes I was warning them about. I wish they could learn from my mistakes without making them as well.
 
sandman said:
I guess this is the type of post we resort to when there is no loss to throw ourselves over the cliff. Houston fan isn't happy unless he's got something to complain about...
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I find this post sexist. Keep in mind that there are many women Texans fans.... LIKE: Hobie :hobie: is a Texan's fan!!
 
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Looking back - the jackets were silly. NE showed us that by kicking our ass.

JJ and Co. did the same for Mr. Selfie and the titsans.

We move on.

Not really significant since I don't think we have seen the jackets since NE kicked our ass. You make it sound like the team landed in TN with them on:goodpost:
 
The jackets were Barwin's idea, not Watt's. He may very well have hated the idea. When the team voted to wear them, he couldn't exactly blow them off. I think there's a difference between telling the other team to **** off and telling your own teammates to.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I find this post sexist. Keep in mind that there are many women Texans fans.... LIKE: Hobie :hobie: is a Texan's fan!!
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I think it's the universal he like the man in mankind is universal. It's confusing, not sexist most of the time.

But then I suspect your post is just a bit sarcastic.

~sarcasm~ - where ~ looks like the s of sarcasm that is fallen down and twisted.
 
MEGA SWATT said:
:swatter:

Looking back - the jackets were silly. NE showed us that by kicking our ass.

JJ and Co. did the same for Mr. Selfie and the titsans.

We move on.

Not really significant since I don't think we have seen the jackets since NE kicked our ass. You make it sound like the team landed in TN with them on:goodpost:
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this
 
TheMatrix31 said:
To this day I have no idea why the jackets were (and apparently remain) such a big deal.
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Because it makes a great springboard into rants about Rick Smith and draft picks or how the Texans are somehow accountable for all of the heartache the Oilers brought to this city. :kitten:
 
TheRealJoker said:
I just found it interesting Watt would be the one to take offense to Mettenberger's social media antics. Given he is quick to dance and has his high school dancing commercial, was on the team that thought it was a good idea to wear Letterman Jackets before the ill-fated voyage to New England in 2012, etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-mettenberger-this-is-the-nfl-not-high-school

"It was kind of a reminder that this is the NFL, not high school. This is the National Football League. Welcome to the show," Watt said after the game, via the Houston Chronicle."
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I LIKED the Letterman jackets. I don't care what ANYONE says.
 
infantrycak said:
It's one of the dumber Texan fan fixations.

If they'd won the game it would have been like winning the first Battle Red Day.
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yep, and they really only pertain to the 2012 team that was 11-1 and wanted to act like a bunch of high school players getting on the yellow bus to go play the Patriots.

In football terms, that was a long time ago and really has nothing to do with 2014 and O'Brien's team.

But, it's what us fans do, which is why there will always be certain milestones in this city that represent failure....until they bring home a Lombardi, of course.
 
infantrycak said:
It's one of the dumber Texan fan fixations.

If they'd won the game it would have been like winning the first Battle Red Day.
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Yeah, I have always thought maybe it was because Barwin was thought to have come up with the idea, and he was perceived as being a little flaky. Doing fairly well in Philly though.
 
I never had a problem with the Letterman jacket thing. The guys were riding high and feeling good about themselves. If they continue winning at that point, then those jackets would have created a sense of camaraderie and maybe even something new guys joining the team would have to earn the right to wear. Those sorts of things can turn out well.

And I thought the jackets looked sharp.

But they got their arses kicked in the first game after pulling them out so that was the end of that and the jackets become a symbol of getting too cocky.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
To this day I have no idea why the jackets were (and apparently remain) such a big deal.
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I always like to turn this sort of thing around. What would the board be saying if the Colts or Cowboys or someone came to Houston doing the same thing?

I don't think. nice looking, team building, or no big deal would be the comments.

The board would probably be pretty unanimous that they looked like jackasses. So.....
 
Runner said:
I always like to turn this sort of thing around. What would the board be saying if the Colts or Cowboys or someone came to Houston doing the same thing?

I don't think. nice looking, team building, or no big deal would be the comments.

The board would probably be pretty unanimous that they liked like jackasses. So.....
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That works for on the field play but not for fan pettiness. The Cowboys could cure cancer ebola and unwanted pregnancy in a single day and most Houston fans would say so what it's easy for the devil to sell his soul to himself.
 
infantrycak said:
That works for on the field play but not for fan pettiness. The Cowboys could cure cancer ebola and unwanted pregnancy in a single day and most Houston fans would say so what it's easy for the devil to sell his soul to himself.
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And? :pop:
 
TheRealJoker said:
I just found it interesting Watt would be the one to take offense to Mettenberger's social media antics. Given he is quick to dance and has his high school dancing commercial, was on the team that thought it was a good idea to wear Letterman Jackets before the ill-fated voyage to New England in 2012, etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-mettenberger-this-is-the-nfl-not-high-school

"It was kind of a reminder that this is the NFL, not high school. This is the National Football League. Welcome to the show," Watt said after the game, via the Houston Chronicle."
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Please never question The Watt. The ramifications are monumental.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I never had a problem with the Letterman jacket thing. The guys were riding high and feeling good about themselves. If they continue winning at that point, then those jackets would have created a sense of camaraderie and maybe even something new guys joining the team would have to earn the right to wear. Those sorts of things can turn out well.

And I thought the jackets looked sharp.

But they got their arses kicked in the first game after pulling them out so that was the end of that and the jackets become a symbol of getting too cocky.
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The timing of the letterman jackets was off. It was a distraction that fed into the perception that the 11-1 Texans were reading their own hype. When compared to the "just business" attitude of the Patriots, they came across as a bunch of giddy school kids instead of professional athletes. And then they got their butts handed to them in NE and those jackets became symbolic for myopic behavior.

If they had made those jackets in training camp, nobody would connect them to a specific game. But instead, they seemed to get distracted at the exact moment that they needed to be extremely focused.

I don't have a problem with the jackets themselves, but rather how they fit into the narrative of that season and what happened to the team on that specific trip. Their yellow bus drove off a cliff.
 
infantrycak said:
It's one of the dumber Texan fan fixations.

If they'd won the game it would have been like winning the first Battle Red Day.
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hmmmm
refresh my memory on the first battle red day. i do remember the all red being on thursday night vs denver, or am i wrong on that
 
ATXtexanfan said:
hmmmm
refresh my memory on the first battle red day. i do remember the all red being on thursday night vs denver, or am i wrong on that
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We won the first three battle red days. 2003 - Carolina (who went on to play NE in the SB in Houston), 2004 - Jax and Tacks.

And they came with some early iconic moments:

battle_red.jpg
 
Double Barrel said:
The timing of the letterman jackets was off. It was a distraction that fed into the perception that the 11-1 Texans were reading their own hype. When compared to the "just business" attitude of the Patriots, they came across as a bunch of giddy school kids instead of professional athletes. And then they got their butts handed to them in NE and those jackets became symbolic for myopic behavior.
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Myopic and a distraction in hindsight only. Has any team bought into their own hype or acted like giddy school kids more than the '85 bears? Didn't seem to hurt them much.

Winning makes any behavior look like the right behavior, just like losing can make any look wrong. There was nothing inherently wrong with the jackets.
 
TD said:
Myopic and a distraction in hindsight only. Has any team bought into their own hype or acted like giddy school kids more than the '85 bears? Didn't seem to hurt them much.

Winning makes any behavior look like the right behavior, just like losing can make any look wrong. There was nothing inherently wrong with the jackets.
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yeah, the 2012 Texans were just like the '85 Bears.... :rolleyes:

IF IF IF means jack squat. What matters is reality, ie what really happened, and history is what it is regardless of how you choose to perceive it.

I never said there was anything inherently wrong with the jackets, and of course they are defined by hindsight, like most things in pop culture. But saying that they were like high school players was not the right mentality for facing a team like the Patriots.

The sad part is that the team wasn't even slightly competitive against the Patriots. They lost three out of the last four games that season, losing out on a chance at clinching homefield and a first round bye.

And apparently the team agrees with me because we never saw those jackets again after the NE debacle. They ended up defining what those jackets meant when they immediately buried them.
 
Runner said:
I always like to turn this sort of thing around. What would the board be saying if the Colts or Cowboys or someone came to Houston doing the same thing?

I don't think. nice looking, team building, or no big deal would be the comments.

The board would probably be pretty unanimous that they looked like jackasses. So.....
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I wouldn't give even the *slightest* of ****s.
 
The only way we have a chance to remove the letterman jacket curse would be to have Vanilla Ice perform during the Eagles game halftime show wearing said letterman jacket. :voodoo: :hides:
 
Double Barrel said:
And apparently the team agrees with me because we never saw those jackets again after the NE debacle. They ended up defining what those jackets meant when they immediately buried them.
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Symbol answer for the symbol minded.
 
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