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Texans off season needs.

Texansphan

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
There are as many opinions about off season needs as there are fans!
I would love to see the opinions of you guys and girls out there.
I gave my thoughts to a buddy at work today and he is all in on the Oline, and that makes sense. You gotta keep your QB upright.
I want to elaborate on that thought as we all know NC is not going to completely rebuild the line and blow all his resources on it.
So here are my thoughts.
I would like to see the trenches bolstered, firstly on the Oline. That is the first priority.
I believe one splash signing in FA and a first or second round pick in the draft will make a noticeable difference. Whether they be Guards or G and RT is up to FO.
Secondly, we need to badly upgrade the WR corp. I don't know if they bring back SD, but for mine, he is more of a possession receiver and I personally would like to see someone brought in who can take the top off a defense - and maybe one more savvy vet. One who is an upgrade over Robert Woods.
It would also be nice to bring in another receiving TE to bring some competition in the TE room.
And of course those who know me also know I am bullish on the run game. Mixon did a sterling job for us this season but there was not a lot on offer when he was not on the field.
I know we ain't gonna get another back of Mixons quality in here from FA, so why not take a punt on a young gun from the draft?

On the Defense, keep the guys you already have!
Bring in one more decent big guy in the middle to rotate in there.
Eric Murray has been a good soldier but an upgrade in the defensive backfield would be beneficial in the long run.
Good value on Safeties and DL and RBs can be found in the 3rd to late rounds.

Let's see how you lot would like to see it happen!
 
I guess I don’t really have a grasp yet of what pieces are easy to retain on the DL and how much investment needs to go on there.

DeMeco probably needs a developmetal piece in that secondary S/Slot/Nickel role to backup next season and future proofing his starting lineup. Outside CB was also very thin for depth.

Then you have the questions at WR/TE.

I’d agree I’m hoping for something to hang my hopes on for the OL. Realistically they won’t be that narrow sighted and I believe they have fewer picks than they usually like to have this season.
 
IOL TE, WR, DL, S, RB. Hard to say order until after FA, but agree you want one more piece inside Oline, TE could help with blocking and middle of field for CJ, need to rebuild WR corps, deep draft at DL so maybe can wait a little longer, but a nice young piece there would be good. Old guys at safety need one more young blood. Gets interesting if Emmanwori is staring at you with your #1 pick, not greatest need, but quite a talent. Grab a RB with potential, but not as high of need as the other positions. I guess I would be surprised with a Edge, LB, CB, QB. A development OT could be in the cards, but kind of out of picks unless FA has met some needs
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I read somewhere that currently only 3 starters are free agents. With that being said, I think that unless the coaching staff is extremely displeased with a player to release him, there may not be a lot of starter level additions. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be competition...development through the draft is always my priority for the long-term.
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And with so few vets leaving, now would be a perfect opportunity to bring in some young lions to learn from them as well as the coaches.
The team won't have to rely on rookies that way too
 
Rich Schmidt said:
IOL TE, WR, DL, S, RB. Hard to say order until after FA, but agree you want one more piece inside Oline, TE could help with blocking and middle of field for CJ, need to rebuild WR corps, deep draft at DL so maybe can wait a little longer, but a nice young piece there would be good. Old guys at safety need one more young blood. Gets interesting if Emmanwori is staring at you with your #1 pick, not greatest need, but quite a talent. Grab a RB with potential, but not as high of need as the other positions. I guess I would be surprised with a Edge, LB, CB, QB. A development OT could be in the cards, but kind of out of picks unless FA has met some needs
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No surprise to me if a corner is selected. Outside the top two guys, they have **** for depth. If either of those guys had lost significant time…the D would be toast. I would be surprised if a corner is taken in the top two rounds, but any point after that, a good young corner is a major need. And hopefully they nab a vet corner in the FA market as well.
 
I am interested in bringing in Right Guard Trey Smith from Kansas City, however it looks like the Chiefs may now be considering using the transition tag on him which is cheaper than the franchise tag. It would be 21 million approximately and they still need to fit it under the cap somehow.
 
Addition by subtraction. This is the easiest math since 2nd grade. Move his lazy ass to the Redskins, Bears…or whomever. Sign a cheaper vet, draft a mid-round tackle, consider Blake as well..l and may the best man win. The run game will improve, which will also help the pass game and pass blocking will also improve overall because you are in fewer long situations on 3rd down. It’s all hand in hand. Do that, draft an IOL to compete…sprinkle in a better scheme and you will see big improvement.
 
JB said:
How to improve your OL for beginners... trade away your probowl LT :rolleyes:
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Addition by subtraction. You want nasty run game? You want an attitude? A dawg mentality on the line? You aren't getting it with Tunsil.

Not to mention the issues surrounding the line leader being the unit's poorest worker. Imagine if JJ Watt, the most talented guy on that D-line, took off practice whenever he could. What if he didn't care about stopping the run, and really only gave a decent and finesse effort on pass plays? What if he spent more time on Instagram than helping and leading his teammates? What if he was soft minded instead of tenacious and a bull? And what if he took up a healthy chunk of your cap while doing it?

The guys that are your best and most talented players must have the mental attitude to match and must lead their respective units. Tunsil ain't that guy. Not sure why you can't see it as it's plain as day.

Chances are good that Tunsil will be back, so you'll likely get your wish. And I do expect modest improvement even with Tunsil. But if you want a true attitude change on the line and a total break of the soft past...and one that looks more like the hogs of the old Redskins and less like the miniature dogs hidden in women's purses, this is the way you start that process.

Chop the boil off man. It may bleed a bit at first, but in the long run you'll be better off.
 
Porky said:
Chop the boil off man. It may bleed a bit at first, but in the long run you'll be better off.
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You don't want to chop off the boil man, you want to chop off the whole damned leg!
I would like to see the run game improve but that is primarily a function of the IOL. I think it will improve with better coaching and fewer stretch zone plays.
 
steelbtexan said:
What does this have to do with the Texans needs?

If Tunsil is as bad as Kenneth L (whoever that is) thinks he is then why would those teams want to trade for Tunsil. Apparently Kenneth L doesn't understand that the OT's job is to run the Edge past the QB and the QB should step up into the pocket, keep his eyes down field and deliver accurate passes. SMH
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:hankpalm::smiliepalm::turtle:
 
How to improve your offensive line for beginners who do not understand how to improve a team. You replace a high dollar good player who is aging with a much younger much cheaper and almost as good left tackle. Then you take the draft picks you get from your old left tackle and improve your all overall team. You use the $14- 21 million $ savings to get at least two starting FAs ..

Win win for everybody except for Tunsil's family who evidently post on this board.
 
steelbtexan said:
What does this have to do with the Texans needs?

If Tunsil is as bad as Kenneth L (whoever that is) thinks he is then why would those teams want to trade for Tunsil. Apparently Kenneth L doesn't understand that the OT's job is to run the Edge past the QB and the QB should step up into the pocket, keep his eyes down field and deliver accurate passes. SMH
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I don't think that Laremy tunsil is as bad as Kenneth says, but we also know that general managers and coaches View Talent differently. Every year we see Rejects like Okudah be brought aboard and hope to be a different player due to change of location. Also, we see players like DeShaun Watson moved and we snicker behind our hands.

The statement you made that the offensive tackles job is to run the defensive opponent past away from the quarterback is the only purpose is very telling. The job description for an offensive tackle is much more than that and you and others seem to be satisfied with that.
 
badboy said:
I don't think that Laremy tunsil is as bad as Kenneth says, but we also know that general managers and coaches View Talent differently. Every year we see Rejects like Okudah be brought aboard and hope to be a different player due to change of location. Also, we see players like DeShaun Watson moved and we snicker behind our hands.

The statement you made that the offensive tackles job is to run the defensive opponent past away from the quarterback is the only purpose is very telling. The job description for an offensive tackle is much more than that and you and others seem to be satisfied with that.
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I never said that was an OT's only job, but in pass pro if you do this it's considered a successful rep. I cant bring this up but I read an article that said Tunsil allowed 12.1 % pressure rate in passing situations vs league avg 22%. That's why Caserio and Ryans/Culley/Lovie/BOB have kept him around all of these yrs rather than trading him like you yearly want to do.

BTW, you didn't answer my question, what does this offseason have to do with Tunsil other than you coming up with ways to get Tunsil off of the roster. Funny thing is I'm not totally against moving Tunsil but you better have a backup plan if you do and that plan isn't signing somebody elses FA, because if that FA was as good/healthy as you want him to be his team would be re-signing him. LT's that allow a pressure rate of 12% dont fall off of trees and they get paid like Tunsil has. The fact that he has this low pressure rate is amazing seeing the crap Green/Howard ect... playing next to him.
 
JB said:
You don't want to chop off the boil man, you want to chop off the whole damned leg!
I would like to see the run game improve but that is primarily a function of the IOL. I think it will improve with better coaching and fewer stretch zone plays.
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As I said above, even with Tunsil here, I am expecting modest to moderate improvement. If for no other reason, it's hard to imagine them getting even worse. So, in that sense, we agree.

But we differ on the idea that removing Tunsil would make the line worse overall. The o-line is a team within a team. Your biggest dog plays like a puppy way too often. Not to mention the constant leaving early and blame-shifting. While it MAY technically be true that the C was the leading cause...that's not leadership. That's what some other people do - cast blame to others and don't take responsibility. This is NOT leadership JB. Sorry Charlie, but only the best tasting tuna...sorry got sidetracked.

Taking up that much cap space, the dude HAS to be a physically and mentally tough bull who takes that leadership role. He's more like Bambi then Raging Bull.

Take his cap space, sign someone cheaper that is 70-80% of Tunsil on the pass and better them him in the run game and has some nasty to him, and use that money elsewhere.

We'll agree to disagree. You'll change your mind post mortem. Once Tunsil is gone...the line improves....oh wait...no you're going to find some other reason for the substantial improvement.

Let's mark this day in history and come back to it later. :)
 
steelbtexan said:
I never said that was an OT's only job, but in pass pro if you do this it's considered a successful rep. I cant bring this up but I read an article that said Tunsil allowed 12.1 % pressure rate in passing situations vs league avg 22%. That's why Caserio and Ryans/Culley/Lovie/BOB have kept him around all of these yrs rather than trading him like you yearly want to do.

BTW, you didn't answer my question, what does this offseason have to do with Tunsil other than you coming up with ways to get Tunsil off of the roster. Funny thing is I'm not totally against moving Tunsil but you better have a backup plan if you do and that plan isn't signing somebody elses FA, because if that FA was as good/healthy as you want him to be his team would be re-signing him. LT's that allow a pressure rate of 12% dont fall off of trees and they get paid like Tunsil has. The fact that he has this low pressure rate is amazing seeing the crap Green/Howard ect... playing next to him.
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I have explained to you repeatedly about why Alaric Jackson should be brought and why his team may not keep him. You disagree and we can leave it at that. If you are not against moving him, how about showing the rest of us what kind of deal you would suggest? That is all that we are doing, suggesting to improve the team.
 
Porky said:
Addition by subtraction. You want nasty run game? You want an attitude? A dawg mentality on the line? You aren't getting it with Tunsil.

Not to mention the issues surrounding the line leader being the unit's poorest worker. Imagine if JJ Watt, the most talented guy on that D-line, took off practice whenever he could. What if he didn't care about stopping the run, and really only gave a decent and finesse effort on pass plays? What if he spent more time on Instagram than helping and leading his teammates? What if he was soft minded instead of tenacious and a bull? And what if he took up a healthy chunk of your cap while doing it?

The guys that are your best and most talented players must have the mental attitude to match and must lead their respective units. Tunsil ain't that guy. Not sure why you can't see it as it's plain as day.

Chances are good that Tunsil will be back, so you'll likely get your wish. And I do expect modest improvement even with Tunsil. But if you want a true attitude change on the line and a total break of the soft past...and one that looks more like the hogs of the old Redskins and less like the miniature dogs hidden in women's purses, this is the way you start that process.

Chop the boil off man. It may bleed a bit at first, but in the long run you'll be better off.
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If you want a true attitude adjustment replace Green/Howard/Mason with Donovan Jackson and Grey Zabel. Draft a TE like Mason Taylor in the 3rd.the run blocking will improve. Look at the 1st Colts game Green played well and they ran the ball in the 4th qtr mainly behind Green/Tunsil. So with a better LG next to Tunsil the run game should improve.

Those darned old pot smokers.
 
badboy said:
I have explained to you repeatedly about why Alaric Jackson should be brought and why his team may not keep him. You disagree and we can leave it at that. If you are not against moving him, how about showing the rest of us what kind of deal you would suggest? That is all that we are doing, suggesting to improve the team.
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I would suggest a long term plan of keeping Tunsil next yr and drafting a guy like Simmons or trading up and drafting Banks and playing him at LG next yr, then trading Tunsil next offseason and moving Banks/Simmons to LT. Depending on how they play this next yr.
 
Texansballer74 said:
If we can get this done, I’m all for it.
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They should be able to do something like this.

Robinson 3 mil/ Moore 4.5 mil are very reasonable pickups.

I'm hopeful Arroyo falls to 2-58. If not give me Mason Taylor at 3-89.

I haven't seen Smith in the 4th rd. Other 4th/5th rd RB's I like are Neal/Hunter/Ettiene/ Marks. They should be able to get one of these guys.
 
Porky said:
I had Arroyo to us in round 3 in my first mock. Is that unrealistic?
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It's not out of the question, but Daniel Jeremiah who's a former NFL scout and has contacts around the NFL says he's a late 1st early 2nd after his Sr. Bowl performance. I also think he's going to perform very well at the combine and if that happens I doubt he makes it to 3-89.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's not out of the question, but Daniel Jeremiah who's a former NFL scout and has contacts around the NFL says he's a late 1st early 2nd after his Sr. Bowl performance. I also think he's going to perform very well at the combine and if that happens I doubt he makes it to 3-89.
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Thanks for the update on him. That’s why mocks this early are often wrong. Gotta get thru the combine and at least the early part of FA before mocks hold much water.
 
Porky said:
Thanks for the update on him. That’s why mocks this early are often wrong. Gotta get thru the combine and at least the early part of FA before mocks hold much water.
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This is so true.

Right now nobody knows, even after the combine while we will have a much better idea of who the top prospects are, the GM's will be meeting with agents and getting parameters for FA deals done. After FA only then will we get a true idea for how the draft might fall. Even then most mocks will be well off of how the GM's/Scouts value players when it comes time for them to pick. It happens this way every yr.
 
It really depends how much cap space they can free up. But through FA and the draft we need a starting caliber IOL, at least a strong WR3 if not WR2, a starting caliber DT, and CB depth. My feelings would not be hurt if we could somehow trade Howard, Mason, and Schultz. There's always a buyer, right? Right?
 
Porky said:
Take his cap space, sign someone cheaper that is 70-80% of Tunsil on the pass and better them him in the run game and has some nasty to him, and use that money elsewhere.
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If you could guarantee that I'd be all for it. But not trading for a mid round draft pick that may take years (if ever) to get to that point. I don't want to see CJ Carr'd. That's more important than your nasty run blocker at LT. How many sacks given up a year is acceptable for a LT? Would Stroud agree with you?
 
badboy said:
I am interested in bringing in Right Guard Trey Smith from Kansas City, however it looks like the Chiefs may now be considering using the transition tag on him which is cheaper than the franchise tag. It would be 21 million approximately and they still need to fit it under the cap somehow.
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That dude gave up alot of pressures
 
steelbtexan said:
How would you feel about adding

Elijah Moore/Demarcus Robinson at WR in FA and drafting Elijah Arroyo at 2-58 and Brashard Smith in the 5th rd? Speed/Speed/Speed at all skill positions.
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I'd rather have Slayton and Moore or Slayton and a draft pick. If Caserio is still saying 2 yr windows, then why not a known like Nick Martin?
 
leebigeztx said:
I'd rather have Slayton and Moore or Slayton and a draft pick. If Caserio is still saying 2 yr windows, then why not a known like Nick Martin?
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Slayton is projected to make 3 yrs 47.3 mil. That's too rich for my blood.

Who is Nick Martin? The old Texans center?
 
steelbtexan said:
Slayton is projected to make 3 yrs 47.3 mil. That's too rich for my blood.

Who is Nick Martin? The old Texans center?
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15m for a #2 is the going rate unless you're going to draft a guy who possibly turns into a 1a or 2. Look at Philly, Seattle, Cincy. 3 yrs 47 is a little more than 15m per.
Martin from Dallas
 
leebigeztx said:
15m for a #2 is the going rate unless you're going to draft a guy who possibly turns into a 1a or 2. Look at Philly, Seattle, Cincy. 3 yrs 47 is a little more than 15m per.
Martin from Dallas
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Slayton isn't worth that kind of money.

Robinson was productive after Kupp/Nucua went down. So was Atwell for that matter and they already know the offense. They're talented players and you can get both of them for less than what Slayton will cost.

Slayton isn't that much better than Robinson as an outside receiver and comes at a much cheaper cost. Robinson, like Slayton while not elite has proven he can win outside the numbers. Slayton is a good player but he's not Higgins/Smith/Metcalf etc...
 
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