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"YOU Replace Obrien As Head Coach"...What Would You Do??

infantrycak said:
The best of the bunch so far this season, and one with a great skill set for Kubiak, is Derek Carr - 62.6%, 7 TDs, 2 ints, 7.5 ypa, 230.5 ypg, 97.7 rating, 63.5 QBR.

And there is no arguing we could have had him.
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Carr may very well be the best of the bunch, you've gotta have something extra to do well on that Raiders team. Would either side have wanted the other? My crystal ball says no, I think it was obvious that we were each going to amicably ignore the other. I would've taken Bridgewater #1, especially with Kubiak. He is the perfect example of why I hate the combine process. The #1 choice at quarterback (and potential #1 overall) between January and March, he got beat up long after the games were played, especially for his pro day. Kubiak, Wade and 2nd year Bridgewater or Bortles ... I think we've clinched the division already this year.

Then again, that assumes McNair and Smith haven't gone out of their way to sabotage things again, because they obviously felt were due a dominant role over personnel and game decisions. A position verily relinquished with a new staff, we assume.
 
Phoenix said:
Seriously....What changes (if any) would you make if you were hired tomorrow to replace Coach Obrien? OC changes? DC changes? Asst Coach Changes? Offense changes? Defense Changes? Starting QB? Etc etc....
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I would try to evaluate talent better and keep the good players on the roster. Imagine, if we still had the many more than several pro bowl players that we let drift off....?
 
From the standpoint of replacing O'Brien as Head Coach (and I agree with that this should be done) I would advise Bob McNair to go all in and do what he would've to do to sign Jimbo Fisher. Fisher is the best reincarnation of Bill Belichick and Nick Saban that you could hire. I would still completely reorganize and the pro and college scouting departments. If McNair doesn't want to fire Rick Smith then move him to League Liaison position. Eliot Wolf is still my first choice and Fisher my second.

The Florida State process
How Jimbo Fisher combined the best of Bobby Bowden and Nick Saban to build a new champion in Tallahassee

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...onship-jimbo-fisher-jameis-winston-2013-recap
 
Texian said:
From the standpoint of replacing O'Brien as Head Coach (and I agree with that this should be done) I would advise Bob McNair to go all in and do what he would've to do to sign Jimbo Fisher. Fisher is the best reincarnation of Bill Belichick and Nick Saban that you could hire. I would still completely reorganize and the pro and college scouting departments. If McNair doesn't want to fire Rick Smith then move him to League Liaison position. Eliot Wolf is still my first choice and Fisher my second.
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It's fairly well known that the Texans have the largest scouting department in the league .... I am beginning to wonder if there are just too many cooks in the kitchen.
Every draft it seems like they take someone questionable - small school , injury issues or some other crap .... and then that player flops.
It's like they think they are smarter than everyone else ....trying to find these diamonds in the rough and passing over more talented players.
 
Corrosion said:
So many of you just don't want to give Kubiak the credit he's due. The guy has been in the league as a player or coach (accept for 92) since 1983.

He's the guy that was responsible for Schaub becoming a viable NFL starter , he's the guy who designed the routes that had #80 so wide open (In His Prime) there wasn't a defender within 15 yards of him .... when multiple defenders were responsible for him.
He's the guy who got 49 catches out of one of the TE's on this current roster .... that cant seem to catch a fvckin cold now.
He's the only coach in the history of this franchise to have a playoff appearance and a couple W's too .... one with TJ freakin Yates at QB.
He had a team sitting at 11-1 .... before losing his QB to injury.
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I've always given Kubiak credit for what good he has done for the team. But I shake my head at those of you that want to fire O'Brien after less than 2 seasons. If a worse record than the previous season is the standard for firing head coaches then Kubiak would have been fired after 2010, and much of what you stated wouldn't have come to fruition. It is simply too early to tell whether or not O'Brien is or isn't that coach that the Texans need.
 
HouTx11 said:
They are struggling just like they were in 2010. Firing Kubiak wasn't how the defense improved in 2011! Firing O'Brien after this season isn't necessarily the path to fixing the Defense for 2016!
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In 2010 we didn't need to fix the O, just the D.

2015 we suck across the board.
 
HouTx11 said:
I've always given Kubiak credit for what good he has done for the team. But I shake my head at those of you that want to fire O'Brien after less than 2 seasons. If a worse record than the previous season is the standard for firing head coaches then Kubiak would have been fired after 2010, and much of what you stated wouldn't have come to fruition. It is simply too early to tell whether or not O'Brien is or isn't that coach that the Texans need.
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Sure its still early .... in the time line.

BUT because OB hasn't addressed the QB position we are behind the point in that timeline we should be at.

Right now our quarterback should be in year two of his career .... Not still in college. If they draft a guy next year , we're still years away from him being mature by NFL standards .... We'll be waiting 2-3 more years for that guy to develop.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass. He's set the franchise back 2-3 years with a single decision.
 
His presser after the Colts game was the same as always.
It's on me. I have to coach better. Blah, blah, blah.
Actually I haven't seen it yet. About to watch it but I'm guessing...


Maybe he is in over his head. Maybe he's not an NFL head coach.

He's a great collegiate head coach. We know that much.
 
Here's my answer to all of BoB's press conferences.

#1 - Yes, it is on you
#2 - No, you haven't gotten it "corrected"

and

#3 - I'm very un-complimentary of your un-complementary football, coach..
 
Corrosion said:
Sure its still early .... in the time line.

BUT because OB hasn't addressed the QB position we are behind the point in that timeline we should be at.

Right now our quarterback should be in year two of his career .... Not still in college. If they draft a guy next year , we're still years away from him being mature by NFL standards .... We'll be waiting 2-3 more years for that guy to develop.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass. He's set the franchise back 2-3 years with a single decision.
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Hmmmmm...Well, this year we should have had a higher draft pick than Savage: a 2nd year QB who might or might not have game reps in 2014, Ryan Mallett, who then becomes the veteran, because we cut ties with Fitz as a placeholder, and lastly a rookie QB, drafted in 2015, to round out the roster and competition. May the best man win. Think of the money saved, too.

And by 2nd year QB, I'm thinking Bridgewater, Garoppolo or Carr.

Instead, we got rid of one placeholder for another, in Hoyer. That's just insane and too experimental.

Experiments don't last long in the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure its still early .... in the time line.

BUT because OB hasn't addressed the QB position we are behind the point in that timeline we should be at.

Right now our quarterback should be in year two of his career .... Not still in college. If they draft a guy next year , we're still years away from him being mature by NFL standards .... We'll be waiting 2-3 more years for that guy to develop.

That alone is reason enough to can his ass. He's set the franchise back 2-3 years with a single decision.
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And Kubiak's decision to throw a rookie Kareem Jackson to the wolves with no experience to back him up should've gotten Kubes fired. But it didn't.

I cannot believe some of the comments that I'm reading about firing O'Brien after all of the praises that he got on Hard Knocks! LOL freaking amazing what a few weeks can do to a fanbase!
 
Bulls on Parade said:
His presser after the Colts game was the same as always.
It's on me. I have to coach better. Blah, blah, blah.
Actually I haven't seen it yet. About to watch it but I'm guessing...


Maybe he is in over his head. Maybe he's not an NFL head coach.

He's a great collegiate head coach. We know that much.
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We do? Last time I checked, O'Brien has a stellar 16-10 record in 2 seasons as a college coach (including one game where he got absolutely manhandled by Indiana University.....the worst DI program in history). Unless i'm forgetting some 10 year college coaching stint of his where he won 85% of his games, won 5 conference titles and played in 2 national championship games, how is a man who lost 38% of the games he coached in 2 seasons, a "great collegiate head coach"?
 
Corrosion said:
Yeah , wont be long before Tex shows up to spew his drivel.

I think both those guys can succeed in the right situation , with the right coach. They are probably both more talented than Schaub ....
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Drivel? Lol!

Dude, let it go. Kubiak failed and has been gone going on two years now. You want to bash the current HC for what is currently going on with a team that is pretty bad, then go for it. But for god's sake, stop crying about the guy who isn't here anymore that failed you guys over and over. Bringing up his few highlights out of 8 years isn't going to change a thing for the future. It is just making you sound like someone who was left at the alter and is in a bad relationship now. You can't rewrite history as much as you want to. You can cling onto his 11-1 start of a season that crashed, but the rest of us remember the other 6 out of the 8 that made the Texans non relevant.

Either way, constantly trying to bring up Kubiak is a total waste of time. I don't get why you guys even post about the Texans at this point if you hate the team so badly and are so enamored with Kubiak. Go join their forums and watch their games. Wade has that defense playing lights out right now.
 
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HouTx11 said:
And Kubiak's decision to throw a rookie Kareem Jackson to the wolves with no experience to back him up should've gotten Kubes fired. But it didn't.

I cannot believe some of the comments that I'm reading about firing O'Brien after all of the praises that he got on Hard Knocks! LOL freaking amazing what a few weeks can do to a fanbase!
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It also comes from the same groups of guys that were patient as ever when Kubiak was struggling for years until Wade saved his job. That's the biggest part of the irony. A lot of the same guys wanted that dude to keep his job here for life and didn't care what the state of the team was.
 
Scooter said:
You know who's going to show up soon now that you've mentioned "K". I'll pile on with some hindsight. How obvious is it that Kubiak would've taken a quarterback in the first round of the 2014 draft? With the coaching and management conflict over our current quarterbacks, a fresh face was going to be required, and it sure wasn't going to be Fitz and Mallett. Had we stayed the course, we'd have gone 9-7 last year with either Bortles or Bridgewater, who I'm betting would look really good right now given Kubiak's track record with quarterbacks. But hey, a college program under another Patriots failure is good too ...
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Lol! Like he did in his first year here when he clung onto Carr!??

Was this supposed to be serious?
 
Texecutioner said:
Lol! Like he did in his first year here when he clung onto Carr!??

Was this supposed to be serious?
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Its sh!t like this that gives you absolutely no credibility.

Its common knowledge that McNair was the one who wanted to hang onto HWWNBM because he had $24million reasons .... asking Gary if he could win with him.

I'll give you the answer to McNair's question again .... Gary stated Carr had the physical tools to be a good QB but questioned his work ethic , mental toughness and diagnostic abilities on the field.

Who was right ?! .....
 
HouTx11 said:
And Kubiak's decision to throw a rookie Kareem Jackson to the wolves with no experience to back him up should've gotten Kubes fired. But it didn't.

I cannot believe some of the comments that I'm reading about firing O'Brien after all of the praises that he got on Hard Knocks! LOL freaking amazing what a few weeks can do to a fanbase!
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First, the Kj situation was totally different. & he at least had the gnads to stick with it.

Secondly, the comments about firing OB... at least from my POV, is in response to rumors that he's already lost the team. A lot of the other "reasons" we're seeing are symptoms of that.
 
KarlK said:
how is a man who lost 38% of the games he coached in 2 seasons, a "great collegiate head coach"?
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It was the situation Penn State was in. They were facing some impossible challenges and hardships. Some people thought they would struggle for numerous years. He did a tremendous job there. Imagine what he could do with more talent at a better school? If he were coaching the Texas Longhorns, for example, he'd probably be in position to win national titles.

O'Brien was highly sought offer for better jobs at better schools, and a couple other NFL teams would have liked to have signed him. The Texans had some fierce competition for his services but they were aggressive in the process and landed him early on.

9-7 first year, 1-4 second year (this season could be ugly).
But year three I think he'll finally have his young quarterback.
I expect the Texans to draft a quarterback in the first round.
The last mock I had seen had us taking Connor Cook #6 overall.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
9-7 first year, 1-4 second year (this season could be ugly).
But year three I think he'll finally have his young quarterback.
I expect the Texans to draft a quarterback in the first round.
The last mock I had seen had us taking Connor Cook #6 overall.
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He's done a crappy job getting QBs ready for this season. Both of them had headstarts, studying the system for three years. Both of them look capable of pulling off his game plan, so I don't think it's a QB problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 1st round stud under center for the Houston Texans. So far, it doesn't look like Bill O'Brien was the magic behind the QBs. Not for Tom Brady, Not for Fitz... So far, looks like all his success as a QB guru is the result of two All-Pro players. Tom Brady, & Arian Foster.
 
thunderkyss said:
First, the Kj situation was totally different. & he at least had the gnads to stick with it.
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KJ has turned into a pretty solid corner .... and its not like they had a string of ALL PRO's to play instead.

Secondly, the comments about firing OB... at least from my POV, is in response to rumors that he's already lost the team. A lot of the other "reasons" we're seeing are symptoms of that.
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Yeah , if he's lost the team this early in the season .... His goose is as good as cooked.

There are a lot of things pointing to his ineptitude too ...

Special Teams suck , more often than not ST , good or bad is on the coaching.

Personnel decisions - No QB , no quality or depth on the OL , what's a TE ? Do we have one ?!

How does a defense with that much talent suck this bad ? 3rd and short .... give a 10 yards cushion damn how many years have we complained about that sh!t ?!

They seem to commit penalties at the absolute Worst Time. 3rd down and you stop the opposition but there's some dirty laundry on the field .... 1st down for the opponent. (6 of those in the Atlanta game alone).

And don't forget about this mythical scheme where we scheme differently for each opponent - How bout we make them react to us for a while instead - Do what we do well and make them stop it ??

More scheme - Offensively they are suppose to be running a NE type scheme where the TE's and slot guy see a lot of action .... Thru 5 games Fido , Griffin & Graham have 11 catches total. The TE's in NE have 27 thru 4 games. So much for that NE type offense. (lets not forget Graham had a 49 catch season in 2013 - the ability is there).

I could go on .... and on .... and on.
 
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It could be worse. At least we're not the Cleveland Browns.

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Bulls on Parade said:
It could be worse. At least we're not the Cleveland Browns.
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May as well be .... the Texans have started as many QB's in the last 3 years as the Browns .... And they had the snap to get rid of Hoyerable , our coaching staff somehow thought Hoyer as the starting QB was a good idea.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
It was the situation Penn State was in. They were facing some impossible challenges and hardships. Some people thought they would struggle for numerous years. He did a tremendous job there. Imagine what he could do with more talent at a better school? If he were coaching the Texas Longhorns, for example, he'd probably be in position to win national titles.

O'Brien was highly sought offer for better jobs at better schools, and a couple other NFL teams would have liked to have signed him. The Texans had some fierce competition for his services but they were aggressive in the process and landed him early on.

9-7 first year, 1-4 second year (this season could be ugly).
But year three I think he'll finally have his young quarterback.
I expect the Texans to draft a quarterback in the first round.
The last mock I had seen had us taking Connor Cook #6 overall.
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No doubt he did a solid job at Penn State.

Last season 9-7 I think the entire team overachieved , mainly because they got a lot of turnovers , the ball just bounced their way ... they were tied for 2nd in the league in turnover margin. You force turnovers and don't give them up .... You win football games.

Year three you think he finally goes and gets a QB early ?! So you think he gets 2-3 more years after that to see that QB develop ?!
You really think he's deserving of another craptastic season following this one ?! Or do you really expect a rookie QB to come in and set the world on fire ?!

Not hitching his wagon to a quarterback in year one was a mistake that set this franchise back several years.

I don't know about you .... But I've seen enough craptastic football , poor player evaluation and bad coaching out of this regime.
 
I'd get in my TARDIS and go back to the sixties and pick up Tom Landry and Roger Stauback. I'd also ask Bob Lili if he wanted to ride along...
 
Norg said:
after seeing this game the problem is JJ is getting doubled and CLowney is getting doubled and singled sometimes


and Crick and Willfork are two slow to do anything so yeah that's the front 4 in a nut shell and I seen none of the Lbers are blitzing or doing anything good
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Yes...this is it in a nut shell...Every team is going to double team JJ....Because it's working!! And it will continue to work regardless of where JJ lines up because the 2 turtles (Crick & Willfork) can't get any penetration. On top of not getting any pressure on QB's, the only thing the defensive backs can cover is there shadow.
 
bah007 said:
OB? Fvck off! We want Goff!

Hoyer? Fvck off! We want Goff!

Mallett? Fvck off! We want Goff!

Rick? Fvck off! We want Goff!

That's the plan. McNair needs to hire someone who believes in that plan. I'll do it, but I like my job so it'd have to be a great offer for me to join this shitstorm. And I don't know sh*t about contracts, just players. So Troy comes too.

Anybody who doesn't buy into the plan is gone. Don't need ya. If the plan fails Bob can send me off to Chile and I'll disappear. But then you gotta go hire a new guy with a new plan.

Sometimes it doesn't matter if the plan is good or not. At some point, you just need to get your sh*t together and start walking in one direction.

Right now, we're standing in the middle of the desert. These losers are too scared of being wrong so they won't choose which way to go. Maybe I'm pointing the wrong way but at least that's better than just standing there til I die.
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You are exactly right.....This coaching staff is scared shitless to make the wrong decision....so they make NO decisions....which is the Wrong Decision!!!....Give me Mike Tomlin....I love the way he rolls....end of game 5 seconds on clock....he could easily kick field goal & tie game & go to overtime....Tomlin says F the tie....we play to win....and they won.....take some lessons from Tomlin &...Grow a set of balls Obrien!!!!
 
Marshall said:
I'd get in my TARDIS and go back to the sixties and pick up Tom Landry and Roger Stauback. I'd also ask Bob Lili if he wanted to ride along...
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I want this guy. He'd be a hell of a tandem playing with J.J. Watt.

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Oh yeah, J.J. Watt and Randy White. No chance opposing offenses!
 
Corrosion said:
KJ has turned into a pretty solid corner .... and its not like they had a string of ALL PRO's to play instead.




Yeah , if he's lost the team this early in the season .... His goose is as good as cooked.

There are a lot of things pointing to his ineptitude too ...

Special Teams suck , more often than not ST , good or bad is on the coaching.

Personnel decisions - No QB , no quality or depth on the OL , what's a TE ? Do we have one ?!

How does a defense with that much talent suck this bad ? 3rd and short .... give a 10 yards cushion damn how many years have we complained about that sh!t ?!

They seem to commit penalties at the absolute Worst Time. 3rd down and you stop the opposition but there's some dirty laundry on the field .... 1st down for the opponent. (6 of those in the Atlanta game alone).

And don't forget about this mythical scheme where we scheme differently for each opponent - How bout we make them react to us for a while instead - Do what we do well and make them stop it ??

More scheme - Offensively they are suppose to be running a NE type scheme where the TE's and slot guy see a lot of action .... Thru 5 games Fido , Griffin & Graham have 11 catches total. The TE's in NE have 27 thru 4 games. So much for that NE type offense. (lets not forget Graham had a 49 catch season in 2013 - the ability is there).

I could go on .... and on .... and on.
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You know, it's gotten to the point where I'm not even sure some of the players are as bad as they look.

I think the coaching has been that bad.

It seems like everyone has regressed in their effectiveness since last season.

Which is sad because you'd think that in year two of the scheme guys would get better and be more comfortable.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
It was the situation Penn State was in. They were facing some impossible challenges and hardships. Some people thought they would struggle for numerous years. He did a tremendous job there. Imagine what he could do with more talent at a better school? If he were coaching the Texas Longhorns, for example, he'd probably be in position to win national titles.

O'Brien was highly sought offer for better jobs at better schools, and a couple other NFL teams would have liked to have signed him. The Texans had some fierce competition for his services but they were aggressive in the process and landed him early on.

9-7 first year, 1-4 second year (this season could be ugly).
But year three I think he'll finally have his young quarterback.
I expect the Texans to draft a quarterback in the first round.
The last mock I had seen had us taking Connor Cook #6 overall.
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You got one thing right....Obrien is a "college coach"....he isn't cut out to be an NFL head coach. And if you think there we're other NFL teams fighting to get Obrien when Bob M. hired him....you've just been drinking too much....go to bed
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know, it's gotten to the point where I'm not even sure some of the players are as bad as they look.

I think the coaching has been that bad.

It seems like everyone has regressed in their effectiveness since last season.

Which is sad because you'd think that in year two of the scheme guys would get better and be more comfortable.
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2 issues IMO - coaching is the big one, and talent up the middle. The problem may be that more of the scheme is involved this year, a problem Wade may hammer himself into as well, complicating what works. I'm not sure I see it, because the few times I try to watch our movements it's exceptionally bland and predictable, but there may be more nuances that I'm not looking for. Defense, and especially one of the bend/don't break variety, are reliant upon winning from the inside out. Clowney and Watt are double teamed+ so we're essentially playing 11v9 - and still losing. Our corners didn't suddenly turn crappy, our safeties (weak, but mostly competent) haven't fallen off a cliff. We're losing at the linebacker and d-line positions and it's screwing up everybody else. It's like having a field of gold gloves and a 4th grade pitcher - doesn't really matter what the exterior talent is doing. Based on how FUBAR our plan was vs the Chiefs, every other scheme we've used may have been just as bad and exacerbating the problem.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know, it's gotten to the point where I'm not even sure some of the players are as bad as they look.

I think the coaching has been that bad.

It seems like everyone has regressed in their effectiveness since last season.

Which is sad because you'd think that in year two of the scheme guys would get better and be more comfortable.
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What scheme ?! They change it every week dependent upon the opposition .... OB needs to find something this squad does well and make the opponent stop it .... tho that may be asking a lot cause the only thing they do well is .... screw up.
 
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