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Injury Discussion Thread

welsh texan said:
Will Anderson Jnr DNP again Thursday, I’m guessing when Doc catches us up it will not be looking good for him to play Sunday?
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TexansBull said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1735172750770094121

I posted it in the Jets pregame thread on how just getting out of that stadium injury free is a victory.

That stadium took out both our rookie first round draft picks. And our best LBs.

I am surprised Tunsil and Stingley managed to get out of there injury free.
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TheRealJoker said:
www.profootballrumors.com

Texans' Will Anderson Likely To Miss Week 15

DECEMEBER 15: Anderson has indeed been ruled out on the Texans' injury report. His recent uptick in production will be interrupted, …
www.profootballrumors.com www.profootballrumors.com
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NOT likely to miss week 15.............will DEFINITELY miss week 15.............and more.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Is this the same hamstring that caused Cashman to miss game 1?

Unfortunate so many key players have been injured.
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Yes it is. He sustained that hamstring the first week of preseason...........it was reported by the Texans as the classic "minor" tweak.............and he was not able to return for 5 weeks. He falls into the expected 30% of hamstring injuries are re-injured within 1 year.
 
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Ktexan68 said:
Is this incredible rash of injuries just bad luck or is our strength and conditioning program to blame? Maybe it's been like this for the last 3 years but I just didn't care because it didn't really matter.
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Hamstring injuries classically are most common in preason and early season when players are ramping up from lesser activity. But we're seeing more and more of these injuries occuring later in the season. Athletes are constantly striving for that edge to be the fastest, strongest player on the field. The stronger they are, the faster, quicker and more powerful they are. However, if muscle strength balance is lost and mobility takes a back seat, they put themselves at a greater risk. As the season goes on, fatigue tends to set in sooner..............which increases all injuries, but especially hamstrings.

Another thing I've seen that contributes to the increase of hamstring injuries as the season matures is that hamstring soreness is ignored with the player not heeding the need for rest and rehab despite the fact that a formal tear has not yet occurred. When an athlete tries to play through a "sore" hamstring, he is already experiencing micro tears and the muscle fibers are already compromised and can fully tear if there is enough stress. That's why it is imperative to recognize and respect the need for rest and rehabilitate before a cautionary prudent missed 1 week turns into a month or more missed games. Unfortunately, there is a resistance by players, teams and medical staff to lose that 1 week as a precautionary move that they feel is not necessary.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hamstring injuries classically are most common in preason and early season when players are ramping up from lesser activity. But we're seeing more and more of these injuries occuring later in the season.
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Are you saying this is something you are noticing across the league, or specifically to the Texans?
 
Anecdotally, it seems like there is a lot more soft tissue injuries across the NFL since they scaled back hitting and two-a-day training camps. I think there seems to be fewer hard injuries - broken bones and the like…but just tons and tons of hammies and those sorts of things.

I wonder if this is a misperception on my part. Not sure where to even begin to find those stats.
 
Porky said:
Anecdotally, it seems like there is a lot more soft tissue injuries across the NFL since they scaled back hitting and two-a-day training camps. I think there seems to be fewer hard injuries - broken bones and the like…but just tons and tons of hammies and those sorts of things.

I wonder if this is a misperception on my part. Not sure where to even begin to find those stats.
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"Hard" injuries don't seem to significantly vary by year.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hamstring injuries classically are most common in preason and early season when players are ramping up from lesser activity. But we're seeing more and more of these injuries occuring later in the season. Athletes are constantly striving for that edge to be the fastest, strongest player on the field. The stronger they are, the faster, quicker and more powerful they are. However, if muscle strength balance is lost and mobility takes a back seat, they put themselves at a greater risk. As the season goes on, fatigue tends to set in sooner..............which increases all injuries, but especially hamstrings.

Another thing I've seen that contributes to the increase of hamstring injuries as the season matures is that hamstring soreness is ignored with the player not heeding the need for rest and rehab despite the fact that a formal tear has not yet occurred. When an athlete tries to play through a "sore" hamstring, he is already experiencing micro tears and the muscle fibers are already compromised and can fully tear if there is enough stress. That's why it is imperative to recognize and respect the need for rest and rehabilitate before a cautionary prudent missed 1 week turns into a month or more missed games. Unfortunately, there is a resistance by players, teams and medical staff to lose that 1 week as a precautionary move that they feel is not necessary.
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Thank you, good stuff. Sure is frustrating, tho!!!!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Stroud obviously took a severe hit to his head on the turf. He definitely exhibited brainstem trauma reflex taking the fencers pose.............demonstrated by both still photo.........

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And by video..............

https://twitter.com/x/status/1733950424980357512
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Just wondering I seem to remember Stroud had to leave the previous game after a heavy hit, could this be the result of a second concussion in quick succession? We know not all concussions show up in the test.
 
I've dialed back football the past couple of days and just saw CnnnD say Fant would not be playing. Has there been any speculation who might be replacing him?
 
A 2009 reviewed over 2,000 YouTube videos of high-impact knockout videos and, based on a small portion of these [35] that demonstrated the fencer's pose, concluded that that 2/3rds of the 35 demonstrated a fencing response.

The researchers also concluded that, based on animal models, fencing response occurs in response to moderate TBI and not to mild TBI even if that mild TBI resulted in knockout or concussion.

This is why I would expect a prolonged recover for Stroud. Hopefully, no one tries to ignore even small signs and/or symptoms in order to get him back on the field. Hopefully.
 
Ward seemed to have experienced a severe concussion Sunday. The hit did not seem too terribly bad.

@CloakNNNdagger has Ward experienced previous concussions adding to the severity of this one? Has he suffered any recent concussions that this one is adding to the severity of the previous?
 
I've had way too much work the past couple of weeks, BUT...

It looked to me like CJ was knocked unconscious during the Bronco game, but was able to fake out the test enough to get back in the game. Then he was not looking like himself in the Jet game.

I hope they're careful with him because I'd like to have nice things.
 
Of course he hasn’t been medically cleared. He must go thru one practice to be cleared and we don’t practice until tomorrow. Therefore he -cannot- attempt to be cleared until Wednesday afternoon at the earliest.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Unsurprisingly, Stroud officially remains in the Concussion Protocol today.
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Correct me if I’m wrong,

It’s my understanding that Striud will remain in concussion protocol until the 9th day (or the first day of practice thereafter)… tomorrow will be the 9th day since he entered NFL’s concussion protocol, therefore he will remain officially in concussion protocol again tomorrow. It is not until AFTER practice at the earliest that he can be cleared.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Correct me if I’m wrong,

It’s my understanding that Striud will remain in concussion protocol until the 9th day (or the first day of practice thereafter)… tomorrow will be the 9th day since he entered NFL’s concussion protocol, therefore he will remain officially in concussion protocol again tomorrow. It is not until AFTER practice at the earliest that he can be cleared.
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I'm not following you. There is no firm timeline for a player to return to play. They have to go thru the 5 stage process. It used to be that each stage required a day. But now they are shortening it to where I see players cleared in 4 days. The 9th day is only the median number of days the NFL has statistically found that a player can usually make it out of the Protocol.

Still having symptoms today, he has not even reached Stage II.
 
FIVE STAGES OF NFL CONCUSSION PROTOCOL

  • Symptom limited activity. In this phase, players are asked not to engage in much activity. ...
  • Aerobic exercise. ...
  • Football-specific exercise. ...
  • Club-based non-contact training drills. ...
  • Full football activity/clearance.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not following you. There is no firm timeline for a player to return to play. They have to go thru the 5 stage process. It used to be that each stage required a day. But now they are shortening it to where I see players cleared in 4 days. The 9th day is only the median number of days the NFL has statistically found that a player can usually make it out of the Protocol.

Still having symptoms today, he has not even reached Stage II.
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Ahhhhh that makes sense! I was going off a video that explained it the other day but I think you explained it better. Thank you for the clarification.

Am I still right that he cannot be cleared until tomorrow after the day at the earliest since we won’t have practice yet?
 
NitroGSXR said:
Ahhhhh that makes sense! I was going off a video that explained it the other day but I think you explained it better. Thank you for the clarification.

Am I still right that he cannot be cleared until tomorrow after the day at the earliest since we won’t have practice yet?
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"Cleared" is being used in a confusing fashion. Cleared to exercise, cleared to practice, cleared to play in a game, etc.................. He cannot be cleared to practice [or at least he shouldn't be] tomorrow, since he is still experiencing symptoms today and would need to pass other stages before getting to that point. But I won't guarantee anything, as so many procedures have been getting manipulated when it comes to everything NFL injuries.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As of now, Stroud has not been cleared to begin practicing..........he continues to experience significant symptoms.
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Hopefully Stroud doesn't see the field this week. Keenum knocked the rust off against the tAcks. I really think Stroud suffered back to back concussions, which is why Stroud is still experiencing symptoms. Keenum knows the Browns players as well.
 
DocBar said:
Hopefully Stroud doesn't see the field this week. Keenum knocked the rust off against the tAcks. I really think Stroud suffered back to back concussions, which is why Stroud is still experiencing symptoms. Keenum knows the Browns players as well.
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He did not. He suffered wobbly legs the first incident as I previously have posted due to trauma to his quad.

DocBar,
I appreciate your and other's input, but could we please keep these "injury discussions" in the designated Injury Discussion Thread.
 
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