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Diggs to Houston

CloakNNNdagger said:
Oblique tears sound like a relatively benign injury.......but they aren't. A grade I takes ~4-5 weeks of rest and rehab before returning to play. A grade II which is what I believe he eventually was dealing with can take 2-3 months to properly rehab. He was never given more than 2 1/2 weeks to heal, during which time he was treated with antiinflammatories and injections.

These injuries can occur when there is direct hits to the ribs or when a hit causes the torso to twist/torque..............both mechanisms commonly experienced by a WR. Once significantly injured, significant pain is a universal hallmark............it can hurt to breathe, to run, to turn, to bend and sometimes even to just walk. And any further trauma to the chest or twisting can easily cause extension or recurrence of the injury. No doubt, it can bring the strongest and best conditioned players to their knees.
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sounds like a reasonable issue for a player to request time off or desire better medical advise.
 
Marcus said:
I frankly don’t understand this “2nd round pick for a 1 year rental” attitude. They are getting a proven All Pro who is now fully motivated to keep his mouth shut and put his best foot forward, for at least one year. And CJ is going to put Josh Allen in Digg’s rear view in a hurry.

And I don’t think Nick is even close to being done making moves. :popcorn:
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I wouldn't be surprised if he scores one of the FA Safety's before this is all said and done.
Texans are serious about making a strong SB run this off season - filling holes with provens vets instead of hoping a rookie can be the answer.
 
Texansphan said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he scores one of the FA Safety's before this is all said and done.
Texans are serious about making a strong SB run this off season - filling holes with provens vets instead of hoping a rookie can be the answer.
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Every move to strengthen our team, should encourage other players to choose Houston. Maybe Justin Simmons will lower his asking price. My understanding is that is why he has not been signed.
 
Errant Hothy said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1775991863008473463
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it is going to take more than some guy I've never heard of quoting Adam Schefter's comment that says nothing about the voidance of years impacting the compensatory formula. Notice that Schefter doesn’t mention comps?
I am not insisting that I am right but someone needs to show me something out of the current CBA that states this position.

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap
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badboy said:
it is going to take more than some guy I've never heard of quoting Adam Schefter's comment that says nothing about the voidance of years impacting the compensatory formula. Notice that Schefter doesn’t mention comps?
I am not insisting that I am right but someone needs to show me something out of the current CBA that states this position.

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap
overthecap.com
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Remember, a team only gets comp picks if they sign fewer qualified free agents than they lose. Don't count on a lot of comp picks with Nick calling the shots.
 
badboy said:
it is going to take more than some guy I've never heard of quoting Adam Schefter's comment that says nothing about the voidance of years impacting the compensatory formula. Notice that Schefter doesn’t mention comps?
I am not insisting that I am right but someone needs to show me something out of the current CBA that states this position.

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap

Texans Shorten Diggs' Contract | Over the Cap
overthecap.com
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1775981547981529157

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775979340569698551
 
Lucky said:
Remember, a team only gets comp picks if they sign fewer qualified free agents than they lose. Don't count on a lot of comp picks with Nick calling the shots.
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That's my point. Also do not understand why voiding digs contract eliminates the compensator process. If we lost him as you say, I don't think we get a pick anyway and that was my point.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
I dont like wiping 3 years of his contract away and letting him become a FA after just 1yr...
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I agree but that seems to be part of what Diggs was looking for. We had no guaranteed money in 2025 except for the 3.5 that was moved to this year. We could have kept him at about the same base for each of the next 3 years but that evidently did not make him a happy camper. Perhaps, with this team he will have an AJ Brown type of season? ~1450 yards and 8 to 11 TDs?
 
Guys should chillax man. Diggs isn’t a locker room cancer. He’s just a passionate human being. The same guy who stayed on the field and watched Mahomes Chiefs celebrate the afc championship. Although the media and buffalo fans have tricked the masses into believing he’s a toxic team player but in reality this guy is just a dawg and he’s going to go hard next season to prove that Josh Allen and the Bills were the problem. A multiple pro bowl top 5 receiver when you thought it was tantrums was actually his way of trying to help and fix the mistakes Josh Allen and billsmafia weren’t seeing. This is the nfl man. People have lost their lives on those fields. If you’re my qb and you get offended because I’m yelling at you sometimes, I wouldn’t want to be on your team either
 
badboy said:
Wilson can cover Kelce but like every other time, if the tight end gets loose, people are going to look at that one play and say I told you so!
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Go back and look historically how bad the Texans have been at covering TE's. Wilson and signing Simmons or Q. Diggs would solve this issue. As would drafting Magee later in the draft if you didn't draft P. Wilson early.
 
My main issue with making this trade & voiding the last three years of it is, if he walks & we don't win the Superbowl, we just traded away a potential starter for a one year rental. But, we'll have to wait & see how it plays out.
 
I don't like voiding three years. If they were going to modify his contract, I think two years should have been fought for. Maybe it was, but I don't see what cards Digs was holding to make us do just one year. I know he could have went into little ***** mode, but that would probably would have ended his career.
 
Yeah, voiding the years makes no sense, it gives up the power to keep him and have one-way negotiations with him. If he thinks he's worth more than the ~20m he was due next year, tell him to find a trade and you'll send him there for a 3rd.
 
badboy said:
He is after more guaranteed money in the next couple of years.
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And I'm after players that outperform their contracts. He JUST signed that extension 2 seasons ago, I don't understand why they would reward him like that. If he's great, make him play for 20m next year, if not, cut him with no guaranteed money on the books. Makes no sense to give up that power.
 
Dutchrudder said:
And I'm after players that outperform their contracts. He JUST signed that extension 2 seasons ago, I don't understand why they would reward him like that. If he's great, make him play for 20m next year, if not, cut him with no guaranteed money on the books. Makes no sense to give up that power.
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Based on what you just said, you would keep him. He did outperform his 2023 contract. Diggs stats were almost identical to Nico Collins whom everybody expects to pull in close to 25 million apy in an extension. Of course Collins is younger, however he has only done it for one year while Stefon has done it for several.
 
The voided years took it from a "WooHoo" trade to a "Huh, What" trade. Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
 
badboy said:
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Don't need to. I am not a draft guru but I do know that this draft is said to be deep at wr so take from that what you will. Last season was not said to be as deep at the position and we ended up with Tank Dell so there is a good chance we could land a similar wr or better in this seasons draft! I am not anti proven wr so much as I have concerns in regards to SD! I am not as concerned about him this season! Super Bowl or bust!
 
Porky said:
Because a 2-time all-pro and 4-time pro-bowl proven commodity and an unknown rookie WR are not the same thing. Diggs was a 5th-round pick. Diggs wasn't Diggs when he came out. Dell was a 3rd-rounder and was amazing as a rookie, but that's the exception. There have been plenty of first-round busts or JAGs picked as high as #2, ala Charles Rogers, who went one pick before Andre Johnson.
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Just look at the Jags.. or what I like to call them, the J.A.Gs. Jay Soward, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, and Justin Blackmon.

...and what did all these players have in common? They could all hold a meeting together. Blackmon's story is real sad. He did all kinds of charity work at OSU and was the face of that program. He had all pro talent, was drafted 5th overall, and only played 20 career NFL games. He threw everything away.
 
Lucky said:
All of this will he stay/will he go drama becomes irrelevant if the Texans will the Super Bowl. Of course, I realize how crazy that sounds considering where this franchise was a year ago. But a lot has happened in a year. A lot. Everything that's being done this offseason is about winning the Super Bowl in New Orleans next February. And next offseason will be all about trying to repeat.
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Do you KNOW how crazy this sounds seeing where we were just over a year ago!?

I LOVE IT!
 
Hottoddie said:
My main issue with making this trade & voiding the last three years of it is, if he walks & we don't win the Superbowl, we just traded away a potential starter for a one year rental. But, we'll have to wait & see how it plays out.
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Here and there, when the opportunity to make a move that can really pay off comes along I'm fine with it. If he gets into a pattern of doing it and it rarely if ever pays off then that's going to suck I guess but so far everything looks better than anything Bill O'Brien did so I'm happy.
 
BullRushTX said:
I don't understand giving up three years of leverage. Maybe make it a two-year contract, but a one-year contract in exchange for a second round pick?
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My guess is that the parties talked money and had different ideas, so the compromise was give a few more million guaranteed and free agency. It also helps with the whole will diggs fit with the culture of the Texans.
Lucky said:
All of this will he stay/will he go drama becomes irrelevant if the Texans will the Super Bowl. Of course, I realize how crazy that sounds considering where this franchise was a year ago. But a lot has happened in a year. A lot. Everything that's being done this offseason is about winning the Super Bowl in New Orleans next February. And next offseason will be all about trying to repeat.
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There is the question of whether the Texans are moving too fast, but that is for a little later in the off-season.
 
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Hottoddie said:
My main issue with making this trade & voiding the last three years of it is, if he walks & we don't win the Superbowl, we just traded away a potential starter for a one year rental. But, we'll have to wait & see how it plays out.
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The cost was trading down.18 spots and they gained a 6th this year and a 5th next year.
 
edo783 said:
I don't like voiding three years. If they were going to modify his contract, I think two years should have been fought for. Maybe it was, but I don't see what cards Digs was holding to make us do just one year. I know he could have went into little ***** mode, but that would probably would have ended his career.
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This is going to come down to which one do they want to re-sign next off-season, Collins or Diggs. They hedged their bets.
 
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Dutchrudder said:
And I'm after players that outperform their contracts. He JUST signed that extension 2 seasons ago, I don't understand why they would reward him like that. If he's great, make him play for 20m next year, if not, cut him with no guaranteed money on the books. Makes no sense to give up that power.
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They will get the best from Diggs next year because he's playing for a new contract. Be it with the Texans or another team
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Don't need to. I am not a draft guru but I do know that this draft is said to be deep at wr so take from that what you will. Last season was not said to be as deep at the position and we ended up with Tank Dell so there is a good chance we could land a similar wr or better in this seasons draft! I am not anti proven wr so much as I have concerns in regards to SD! I am not as concerned about him this season! Super Bowl or bust!
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Yeah, I know you aren't used to the Texans operating like the Chiefs.
 
Let Chef Nick cook! While I can see the criticism regarding voidable years, ultimately this gives the Texans much more flexibility at WR. If Nico balls out again, they let Diggs walk. If Nico regresses or misses a lot of games where durability is a major concern, they can always resign Diggs for one final payday. I would strongly favor the Nico extension and Diggs walks scenario as the most likely, but they aren’t paying both top WR dollar.

BTW, Nico just called and asked what area code he is in?
 
Hottoddie said:
Then why make the deal in the first place? This year's draft is deep at the WR position. I'd much rather have a 2nd round pick next year than a couple of extra late round picks. Hopefully, Nick's not through wheeling & dealing.
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Obviously, Nick does not agree with the 'cancer' image. Hopefully, everyone here is reading the entire thread and not just picking up each day without going back and reading since their last post. A lot of information has been posted. I hope everyone is taking advantage of that before making their personal decision of this trade.
 
jradMIT said:
Can someone explain why void the contract now instead of just cutting him at the end of the season? Didn’t Buffalo incur all the dead money hit in the trade and the remaining contract past this season wasn’t guaranteed? What would be the difference between this and just cutting him after the season? Wouldn’t it be best to keep the flexibility if you might wanna keep him another season if it goes well? What am I missing?


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My post #283 just a few above yours.
We keep saying we want Nick to make more moves but he has to have the cap space to do that. This allows proration over the void years that lowers the cap space and gives him the room to go after other players. I hope this helps. Also they can choose to pay the entire cap hit this year, FYI. That would not be cool in my opinion.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
My guess is that the parties talked money and had different ideas, so the compromise was give a few more million guaranteed and free agency. It also helps with the whole will diggs fit with the culture of the Texans.

There is the question of whether the Texans are moving too fast, but that is for a little later in the off-season.
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Caserio and Ryans are setting up a culture where players can come to Kirby and rebuild their fa value.

Too fast? Their window is the next 5-6 yrs. Every year they aren't doing everything possible to win a championship is a year wasted. I know Texans fans aren't used to a well run org. But these are the types of moves Caserio made with the Pats and Lynch made while Ryans was with the 49ers.
 
dalemurphy said:
They want guys that want to be here and bought in. So, they are financially rewarding Diggs beyond what is required of them, while they are also avoiding an extended financial commitment to an aging vet... In other words, "win, win": happy Diggs this year and flexibility to bring him back or extend him next year if the money and role fit both parties.
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Caserio playing chess
 
I swear some of you wouldn't be happy if Caserio signed nothing but all pros on long term, team friendly deals that have an option for Texans to get out every year. They didn't give up a 2nd for a 1 year rental they gave up a 2nd year to bring in a ringer. Realistically Texans have 2-3 years to win a championship unless CJ pulls a Brady and says pay me less but make sure I have a championship team around me. You can't depend on him doing that, I wouldn't, so you have to only factor in his rookie years.

Here is what they have really done with Diggs. They have given CJ a proven, top level WR who by his very presence is going to draw the defenses attention possibly open up other targets. They have also given Diggs the motivation to not only light it up because he is in a contract year but a chance to not be a problem because he knows he's most lilely only there for a year anyway and if he has a banner year then next year some team is going to throw stupid levels of money at him. Caserio also solved several problems with Collins, now they can see if last year was a fluke or if he's the real thing but also haven't pulled the rug out from under him because if he is the real thing then he will be long term plan. They also can now draft a WR if they want and let him either sit a year, have limited play to get him use to NFL level, or flat out be a back up if we have it go pear shaped.

All this for the low cost of another teams 2nd next year. So yeah this was Caserio again being the chess master.
 
DanielTx said:
Guys should chillax man. Diggs isn’t a locker room cancer. He’s just a passionate human being. The same guy who stayed on the field and watched Mahomes Chiefs celebrate the afc championship. Although the media and buffalo fans have tricked the masses into believing he’s a toxic team player but in reality this guy is just a dawg and he’s going to go hard next season to prove that Josh Allen and the Bills were the problem. A multiple pro bowl top 5 receiver when you thought it was tantrums was actually his way of trying to help and fix the mistakes Josh Allen and billsmafia weren’t seeing. This is the nfl man. People have lost their lives on those fields. If you’re my qb and you get offended because I’m yelling at you sometimes, I wouldn’t want to be on your team either
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If you were yelling at me and I was the QB you would get less targets
 
steelbtexan said:
Caserio and Ryans are setting up a culture where players can come to Kirby and rebuild their fa value.

Too fast? Their window is the next 5-6 yrs. Every year they aren't doing everything possible to win a championship is a year wasted. I know Texans fans aren't used to a well run org. But these are the types of moves Caserio made with the Pats and Lynch made while Ryans was with the 49ers.
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A non-Texan friend of mind asked so how did you guys go from tanking for a midget QB to we are going to beat spit of Mahomes in a year? So I hadn't stop to think about the aspect that are the Texans really that good already...That's why I am delaying the thought of "too fast" until the schedule and draft and such....Just for context.
 
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