And both Favre and Rodgers were talking retirement for a couple of years before replacement was drafted
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Are CJ Stroud doubters converted or are there still doubters left?
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Maybe. But neither had won any SBs after their one early win. Why? Did finances keep GB from putting a SB team around their superstar QB? What is being suggested is trading your superstar QB after 7 years while still on his second contract and using your finances on the rest of the team. You would have to use your draftpicks from the gangbuster trade to draft your next QB, if he was not already on the team. Admittedly this is not a certain thing. But if you have a couple of down years, your own draft picks will be higher. And you have to be smart in your drafting. Crucial in long term sucess, as important as your QB, is stability in your coaching and your offense.
Are you saying that Derrick leaving wasn't the best thing to happen to the Texans?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Really like Packers current roster rebuild post Rodgers more than Farve era. Probably asset to go through experience before, but draft class is also falling in their favor as well.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that trading CJ after 7 years, if the Texans hadn't won a SB, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this MB.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I don’t see any chance the Texans would move on from CJ, if he continues his stellar play, for cap reasons.
We’ve waited 20 years for a qb like this. No chance they’d move on.
But besides that, having an elite qb gives you the best chance to win. Even with a lesser roster around them.
Cycling through generational qbs (or even just really good ones) isn’t really something you can bank on.
banned1976
sleeper mode
It's wild that trading Stroud is even a conversation.
It's not! It's a wild idea floated by one member
A QB has a 7 yr period to win a SB before the cap limits the chances of winning a championship. Check it out, Stafford was the only guy to break the trend. This is just my philosophy but you should check it out. Brady and Mahomes gave breaks to keep the window open. Don't ever expect a Viadd Morf the gethto (word scramble )to give the Texans that kind of break.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Mahomes cap hit in 2022 was $35.8M. Last year, 2023, it was $37.1M. I don't know what percentage of cap this was, but Khelar says it was 17%. This year, 2024, Mahomes cap hit will be $37.0M. Maybe because of the large increase in cap, his percentage drops back down to 14.68%.
Next year KC will be entering cap hell. Mahomes cap hit will go up astronomically to $66.2M. It increases again in 2026 to $68.6M and then drops slightly in 2027 to $64.8M. Then in 2028 it drops to a favorable $32.5M.
Now, we don't know how much the cap will increase in 2025, but obviously Mahomes percentage will not increase to near 30%. But I would guess that the number will be somewhere between 20% and 25%. It'll sure be interesting to see how KC handles this.
I disagree with the giving you the best chance to win.
Letting go of Derrick proves your last paragraph wrong.
Watson was a better version of Manziel and Mayfield: make plays off schedule and improvise. He's never been a solid pocket QB. Mabey that's why Haslam coveted Watson so much.
Mangler
Toro de España
I agree 100% By the way, how many seasons has Watson been out for since leaving the Texans in 2020? Around three isn’t it? I just don’t see him getting back to the player he was while in Houston. The Browns will probably end up cutting him after throwing a bunch of money at a FA vet, then drafting another QB in the first round. I love this as I had grown used to the Texans being the ones to always get fleeced. Nick Caserio is the MF man!
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Agree to disagree about having an elite QB giving you the best chance to win.
Not sure what Watson has to do with cycling through QB's. If I remember, before Watson had his off field transgressions, you didn't like the way he played on the field. Are you now saying that you considered Watson to have been a generational or really good QB when he was here?
The DeShaun Watson regurgitation has nothing to do with the bogus theory of the 15% cap QB.
This is the new norm. And it's because the cap is going up at larger rates than before and teams can project future salaries much easier. Everything you once thought you knew about the cap, including @steelbtexan's 15% - now 7 year rule, is a thing of the past. Meet the new bosses. Their names are Restructuring and Voidable Years.
Mahomes will not play with a $66 million cap number in 2025. It will be restructured to a number the Chiefs can function under. And it's not because Mahomes is giving the franchise "a break". Mahomes will make the same money. Or more.
This is the new norm. And it's because the cap is going up at larger rates than before and teams can project future salaries much easier. Everything you once thought you knew about the cap, including @steelbtexan's 15% - now 7 year rule, is a thing of the past. Meet the new bosses. Their names are Restructuring and Voidable Years.
When did this happen?
It may happen, but it hasn't happened yet and players have been restructuring their contracts for yrs. At some point the QB becomes too expensive to win a championship with. The only players to break the mold are Brady and Mahomes who happen to be the best of their generation. Although lesser QB's are getting paid like they're those 2 guys.
Nope but he's being paid like one and his team won't be winning championships.
It's happening all the time. Mahomes restructured this year. When the Jets traded for Rodgers, his cap hit was extended through 2028 when he's age 45. All of the new QB extensions begin at lower cap numbers for the 1st couple of years. When the balloon salaries kick in, the clubs will turn those into bonuses and spread the cap hit out through the remainder of the deal.
The salary cap is out of the wishbone era. The forward pass (of cap space) is the thing now.
Yep, and after these restructures the numbers remain about the same and the only guys to slightly raise the bar are generational guys
Number19
Hall of Fame
Don't disagree, but those are the numbers now. It will likely be like 2022 and 2023, where essentially the same money fell from 17% back down under 15%. KC will push the money forward, but look at the contract. They're going to be pushing money to 2032, 2033, 2034 and maybe beyond. Sooner or later the piper has to be paid.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
It could be, but that's not the motive for creating cap space. It's to sign the players needed to fill out the roster. No team cares about this mythical percentage. They do care about having a full roster.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Yeh, it's kind of like a retirement plan. After he retires from football, KC or some team will still be paying him $20M or $30M a year for umpteen years. If he should die, like in a car accident, his wife and children will keep getting paid. If he played his cards right, he and his family could have a guaranteed income for much of the rest of his life.
cland
Waterboy
This is perfectly reasonable so long as the NFL's revenue/team salary cap keeps increasing, a dollar two years from now is worth much less than a dollar now. As Florio from PFT has mentioned, one option is to base contracts based on a % of the teams current salary cap, but that doesn't seem to be gaining traction.
One thing (that I don't see happening any time soon) is if the NFL's income goes into a slump and the salary cap stops going up. You'll see a fire sale on veteran players salaries and teams would have to take it on the nose for a lot of the contracts that are out there. This can still happen now if teams continuously push guaranteed dollars down the road, Digg's contract is a minor version of this. The Bills had to eat $31 million in dead money just to trade him to another team.
No, I'm talking about how the salary cap is handled. So when Mahomes restructured this offseason, the Chiefs turned $27 million of salary into a restructure bonus and spread that $27 million over multiple years. Mahomes still gets the $27 million this year. In fact sooner, as it is not in 18 weekly increments.
While the NFL can base growth through media contracts, they also set the cap year to year. We saw the league adjust the salary cap during COVID. They have enough flexibility to make that happen. And since they can set their own rules, with the agreement of the players union, changes can be made if necessary. Never worry about the NFL, They'll be fine no matter what.
cland
Waterboy
Yep, that's what I intended to say. The 'dollars are worth less in the future' meant the cap hit % percentage lowers as future years total cap space increases. ie. $10M in 2024 with $100M total cap is 10%, but is you extend it to 2 years: $5M in 2024 with $100M total cap is 5% and the $5M in 2025 with a $125M total cap is 4% = a total cap hit of 9%. So by extending when the cap dollars hit you save 1% in this hypothetical. This works so long as the cap increases every year.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Cap increase annually and also moving out older more expensive players for younger guys or draft picks to lower the overall cap hit.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Is this the thread that keeps going on for pages and pages because one person will keep arguing with a dozen people who won’t stop arguing with that one person?
Is this the thread that somehow that one person turns into a mythical number of multiple amounts of people who share the same view, but realistically it’s that only one person’s view regurgitated over and over again?
Is this the thread that these dozen people who keep arguing with the same one person that should know better and just move along but out of sheer boredom and addiction keep going and going with the argument trying to convince someone who can’t be convinced?
Is this the thread that always occurs during a slow point in the season on an annual basis?
Asking for a friend.
Does any of it make it a conversation? No
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You know UFOs are real. So stop denying it.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Oh no! You are going to get the thread shut down Thorn! You are going off topic!
Quick! Someone say something about football!
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
The UFO's ARE the footballs!
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
cland
Waterboy
Whew, good job FuzzyLogic. Now can we get back into this off-season Stroud conversation. Here are two topic starters, "What does CJ need to do to improve his TD celebrations? They look awkward to me." and "I may be showing my age, but I'm not into the shaved front, big braided locks look. What hair style should he roll forward with?" 
I started this tangent. Bored. Astros were playing badly and I lit the match. My apologies.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I sort of like Prince's pompano. For football, tell him to have more TD passes thereby increasing his practice of his routines. Perhaps he could add an electric slide while playing air guitar like Prince?Whew, good job FuzzyLogic. Now can we get back into this off-season Stroud conversation. Here are two topic starters, "What does CJ need to do to improve his TD celebrations? They look awkward to me." and "I may be showing my age, but I'm not into the shaved front, big braided locks look. What hair style should he roll forward with?"
More than likely what they can’t shake off is how badly they had their noses rubbed in it from how wrong they were with that S2 worship.
hey…. at least it’s back on topic