Apparently Warren was spending too much time with his koes and not enough time at home.
Are the Moons still married?
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How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?
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Apparently Warren was spending too much time with his koes and not enough time at home.
Are the Moons still married?
Showtime100
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According to Wiki, Moon and the woman he allegedly abused, Felicia Fontenot Hendricks, married in 1981 and were divorced in 2002. He got married to somebody else in 2007.
Yeah, I heard that she was sitting in the gazebo reading her bible mid morning, and he comes home from heaven knows where, acting a fool. No, they have been divorced for some time now.
Dread-Head
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Long story short:
a. He ALLEGEDLY killed two people at the beginning of his career rather than the end of it.
b. Both of the people he ALLEGEDLY killed were black.
Odd. The two people were dead IN HIS HOUSE...but he didn't go on trial OR face a grand jury. O.J's ex was killed across town and he was the PRIME suspect. Must be nice to be Ray.
a. He ALLEGEDLY killed two people at the beginning of his career rather than the end of it.
b. Both of the people he ALLEGEDLY killed were black.
Odd. The two people were dead IN HIS HOUSE...but he didn't go on trial OR face a grand jury. O.J's ex was killed across town and he was the PRIME suspect. Must be nice to be Ray.
handswarmer
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Ray's house is a bar in a seedy Atlanta neighborhood?
Odd- considering he is from Lakelad Fla and lives in Miami, Fla....
Maybe you should hit up Google to read up n the facts of the case.
Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story,
Neither situation should have happened. IMO, and IMO only, I see a big difference in a person setting up his pregnant girlfriend to be murdered after taking her out and pretending to be someone special in her life. Then only within minutes s him he saw him giving hit men the nod for murder which if plan would have worked, both her and the unborn child would hid died immediately.
From my understanding the the Lewis case, they were all at a private club. Something went down, and a fight broke out. I read that the shorter of the two that were killed (5'2") tipped up behind one of the men in Lewis group and broke a champagne bottle on the back of his head, then took off running. From that point things got really ugly and what spilled into the street turned out to be a double homicide. Earlier reports said that Lewis was seen hitting one of the two in the stomach, but one of his friends was one that was seen with the knife. If Lewis hit and his friend used a knife, he would still end up with blood on his clothing. Certainly, if Lewis himself used the knife also he would have blood on his clothing.
If he told his friends to keep their mouths closed, that is no more than another way of stating Miranda rights. Whatever truly occurred, I'm sure there are many regrets. I've read that the two murdered victims that been heavily involved in criminal activities and were trying to turn their lives around, and I only wish they would have been successful.
2012Champs
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I'm trying to remember what story it was that had two people dead in a house.
Obviously not Ray Lewis, but not sure if it was an athlete or some other kind of entertainer.
It rings a bell, but I could not find anything on Google without much details.
Maybe it was someone in the music industry?
NitroGSXR
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Drew Magary nails it...
The Haters Guide To Ray Lewis
The Haters Guide To Ray Lewis
http://deadspin.com/5980173/the-haters-guide-to-ray-lewis
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Say Watt
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This.
As others have said, people need to stop acting like they were there. Maybe he was holding the knife and maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was an accomplice, and maybe he wasn't. Maybe self-defense was involved, and maybe it wasn't. The fact is though no one knows accept the two guys that are dead and buried and Ray Lewis and his buddies.
What we do know is that Ray Lewis has been a model citizen since the incident. He has put a ton of his time and effort into helping younger athletes not make the same mistakes that he did. What he was involved with was a tragedy. But if anyone has done everything humanly possible to make up for any wrong doing, it is Ray Lewis. I, for one, respect the football player as well as the man.
Did anyone just see that interview with his pastor on HLN? The interviewer asked him if Ray Lewis ever talked to him about what happened that night in Atlanta. He said yes ... so she asked "What did he tell you?".
He said something like "When I think of what Ray has been through I think of the book of Psalms where it speaks of David who was a murderer, adulterer, a man who neglected his job ... yet he went on to seek God and redemption and God redeemed him ... etc etc".
So he was comparing Ray Lewis to King David who WAS guilty of all the above. The difference is David admitted his error and paid dearly the rest of his life. Ray Lewis hasn't admitted anything and IF guilty has skated the whole ordeal.
It also leads me to question .. if Ray Lewis was innocent wouldn't his pastor just come out and say something like "Yes, Ray has spoke to me and has told me that he was completely innocent of all this."?
He said something like "When I think of what Ray has been through I think of the book of Psalms where it speaks of David who was a murderer, adulterer, a man who neglected his job ... yet he went on to seek God and redemption and God redeemed him ... etc etc".
So he was comparing Ray Lewis to King David who WAS guilty of all the above. The difference is David admitted his error and paid dearly the rest of his life. Ray Lewis hasn't admitted anything and IF guilty has skated the whole ordeal.
It also leads me to question .. if Ray Lewis was innocent wouldn't his pastor just come out and say something like "Yes, Ray has spoke to me and has told me that he was completely innocent of all this."?
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I think the pastor is supposed to hold that in confidence(!)
[IMGwidthsize=100]http://stuntgranny.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jesus-facepalm.jpg[/IMG]
Wonder if you would feel this way if the two guys that died were family or friends of yours.
handswarmer
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If you weren't there then you should shut the ******* up. period.
Showtime100
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That works two ways, don't you agree?
stingray
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Your team wins a Super Bowl title and you are here posting on the texans message board an hour later. Wow, I think my cat "Dexter" has more of a life than you and he's licking his nuts as we speak.
LonerATO
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And people thought Tebow was bad.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Thanks but no thanks Johnny Cochran. You don't know either.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
And your cat looks his nuts while this guy merely has his head up ray lewis' 'players tunnel'.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
He's the worst. Or should I say the best at this b.s. act.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
No doubt. Where was he when God told him humility is a virtue?
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
And when god talked about that whole 'thou shalt not kill' thing.
handswarmer
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That was the point- only those who were there know.
handswarmer
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And here you are writing about watching your cat licking his nuts and I'm the one without a life?:mariopalm:
toronto
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Always amazed at what a million bucks can do. In this case it made god great and a murder rap disappear.
Enjoy your SB win. Your team deserved it. 52 players on that team have my respect. Not him. Ever.
Dread-Head
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I'm sorry...is this a Iesvs facepalm? CLASSIC! Ray has proven to be @ssholier than thou with every action. Good for him. Hope he can live with himself.There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
His response to Shannon sharpes question was so over the top insincere and so full of bs. He sounds like a pompous and redicilously dilusional imbecile. Everything comes back around and it wouldn't surprise me to see something else really awful happen in this p.o.s.' life.
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handswarmer
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Isend you a .gif of it....LOL
CloakNNNdagger
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Ray Lewis statue in plans
They say they don't know where. Wonder if it'll be in front of the stadium......or in front of the courthouse.
They say they don't know where. Wonder if it'll be in front of the stadium......or in front of the courthouse.
cuppacoffee
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handswarmer
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Please show me some evidence that you have uncovered....
There was an NFL Films presentation last night that I have not seen before. It was called "The Ray Lewis Coaching Tree", and it was six coaches that had been on the Ravens roster as coordinators and went on to be head coaches in the NFL.
The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I
If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.
The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I
If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.
handswarmer
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People won't care- they only see the over-exposure of Ray due to the fact that he was playing in the Super Bowl and its his last ride.
BTW- I watched that for 5th or sixth time last night and it never ceases to amaze me. I am friends wth a former player on the 2004 Ravens team; guy won a SB in 03 with Tampa Bay= he says that Ray is a the real deal; make you want to run thru a wall when he gets done talking. This guy played at Wisconsin, Dallas Cowboys, Bucs and Ravens from 0 to 04.
But in the end, the story is moot because Ray is retired now. And people have their opinions that will never be changed.
I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.
I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.
However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.
And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.
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Dread-Head
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Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.
I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.
The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:
Obstruction of Justice
Perjury
&
Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.
HOU-TEX
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Agreed on all points, DB. Great post
2012Champs
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I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.
I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.
The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:
Obstruction of Justice
Perjury
&
Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.
So a lot of speculation ? Thats all you have. I dont bleed purple but the man wasnt convicted of murder
Joseph Sweeting and Reginald Oakley had hoped the jury would find they acted in self defense. It took only 5 hours for the unanamous veridct acquitting them of all charges. Oakely hugged his lawyer. Sweeting put his head down on the defense table
http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1
so the guys who Ray ratted out were found what? Oh yeah I guess they got the NFL superstar treatment too right? And given the facts of the case do you think he would have been convicted with the accessory to murder charge as a contruction worker? Probably not Mr. Assumptionosaurus
Dread-Head
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PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:
The Devilishly handsome Dread-Head said:
I went on to say:
The loveable motor boat enthusiast Dreadford Headdington III said:
Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer.
WAIT you can't because I didn't say that ISHT! ALL I said was the circumstances surrounding two people being SLAUGHTERED LIKE PIGS by members of Ray Lewis' entourage looked SUSPECT to me. That's ALL I said. If you insist on quoting me do so, but don't put words in my mouth and don't presume to be clairvoyant. You can't read my mind so don't tell me what I think.EDIT:
Sorry for being a tool. I got a little OBNOXIOUS there. Sorry man.
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Watch the NFL Films "The Ray Lewis coaching tree".
All SIX of these NFL head coaches said it would have been out of character for him to get into a street fight. They said the passion Ray has on the field is not the same guy that they know in every day life. He's a non-confrontational kind of guy. He has always been a dude that seeks peaceful solutions before violent ones. This isn't even speculation. It's the perspective of professional coaches who have known the guy for decades. They know this man's nature.
Dread-Head
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Fair enough. Question. Didn't this incident occur in his rookie season? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but were I accused of something HORRIFFIC and NOT convicted, I would be the most mild mannered cat on the planet because I'd suspect people would be wondering "did he do it" everytime they saw me.
I'm thinking if you meet O.J. Simpson he'd be a perfect gent as he really has little choice.
Truthfully, if he didn't do it I'm sure that "incident" made him keep entirely different company.
2012Champs
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PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:
I went on to say:
Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer.
Im not sure why you choose to post in such a childish manner but it certainly doesnt help you make a point. You seem to cry and ***** mostly in your posting so sometimes it is hard to get through the entire thing. I have seen you repeat what you think of Ray in a few threads and I find it rather comical what you choose to base your opinions off of and what you choose to ignore given the facts about the case.
edit: I didnt put any words in your mouth but I guess thats just more of your crying when you try to say it occured
He was drafted in 1996. The murders happened on January 31, 2000.
I don't think a tiger changes his stripes. I think eventually the nature of a person comes out. Ray was never in trouble with the law before or after that incident, iirc.
As I've said before, Ray knows more about that night than he's ever admitted. But that, in and of itself, does not make him a murderer. He was hanging with the wrong crowd and got sucked into it. But since then? He's been nothing but one of the best role models in the NFL. You can't fake that for another 13 years. Something would eventually betray that act. But with Ray, it's been consistent.
Seriously, take the time to watch "The Ray Lewis coaching tree". It's not rah rah stuff, but a really serious insight into the thoughts of NFL coaches about the man. You can fool some people some of the time,but you can't fool everyone all of the time. I honestly doubt any of these coaches would be saying these things about Ray if they did not sincerely believe it.