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Texans may push for a new stadium.
- Thread starter Mangler
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Mangler
Toro de España
Too bad the old dog track in Texas City is being converted to a music venue that is supposed to rival the music venue in sugar land. That could’ve been a good spot for it!
badboy
Hall of Fame
All right! We taxpayers just saved a whole bunch of money! We get to deduct this cost from a new stadium whenever it is built.
Mangler
Toro de España
Deduct what? That’s only 4,700 seat parts to fix the ones currently falling apart.im sure they’re not going to want those seats be installed in the new stadium, should they be granted one.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Well that is why I hate the planet, Luckly I will eventually escape. We all will.
ShinobiMusashi
Waterboy
I think the Georgia Dome was 25 years old when they built the Falcons a new stadium, I always thought that was crazy since I still remember that being a brand new stadium in the NFL in 1992.
Park and ride option would be limited. If you are changing locations, move to EADO. Plans already include to build like a river walk sort of attraction.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
EADO probably makes the most sense as far as putting it in a more central location, but that’s going to be a traffic nightmare probably 100 times worse than their current location. 59 through downtown is already the worst place on the planet to be, but that will get even worse once they start the project to wrap 45 around to that side.
Then you’ve got to have enough onsite parking to accommodate 70,000 including all the tailgating because if they do it anything like how it is to go to an Astros game where you’ve got to park in lots that charge whatever, tailgating would be done as we know it and you could end up paying $100 or more just to park for certain games. Then again, it may already be close to that. It was $35 to park in the yellow lot the last time I was there (2019).
Getting out of downtown after an Astros game with 35,000 is bad enough. 70,000 for a Texans game makes that even worse. Then there’s those times when their seasons merge they both have games, We’re talking 100,000 people potentially.
And what I don’t know is if the rodeo is part of this potential new stadium deal or not. 70,000 to 85,000 people there for rodeo concerts and carnival every single day for 3 straight weeks … no thank you. Not in that area.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Pretty ******* ridiculous.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
23 years old without a major renovation puts NRG in the older third of the NFL (and last in the AFC South), it doesn't sound right but it is the reality of the NFL. Let's not forget Lovie Smith's presser with the fire alarm going off.
With the NFL allowing the teams to sell up to 10% stakes to equity firms, I'd prefer Cal use this option to generate the finances to build a new stadium. Kronke was able to build 6 billion SoFi without public money (up front at least, they are seeking massive tax breaks), not that the potential new stadium needs to cost anything near that much.
Fear is that if the Houston metro area losses a second NFL team, it will never get a third.
Why fear this,
Does Houston have to have an NFL team. Do we really need our toys that bad? I used to go to NRG every Sunday for 20 yrs and missed 5 games in that time. I finally came to the realization that I was being played for a sucker. Now the McNair's are trying to play the taxpayers as suckers.
At some point the investment isn't worth the return.
Absolutely!!!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Because I really enjoy having an NFL team in my hometown?
Also if the McNair's playing the fanbase for "suckers" is a problem for you, I'm going to assume you don't like any professional sports in America? Because the McNair's aren't acting any different than any other ownership group.
This problem was coming the second Harris Co insisted on owning NRG. Who would have thought the county would fail to meet their obligation to maintain and improve NRG? I mean Harris Co has such a great track record...right?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I'm offended this is even a topic. Of all the cities to do this in.
Good for you they should double everybody who votes for this taxes. If you want to subsidize billionaires playpens then go right ahead
I would rather watch football on TV, war and drink my own stuff. They've made almost 6 Billion dollars on a 700 million dollar investment and generally put a crap product on the field for most of 20 years. Sucker, I know how it feels because I was a sucker for most of this franchises existence. If you don't like the cost of going to a game now wait until a new stadium is built. SMH.
Porky
Hall of Fame
The next frontier for owners and don’t laugh…is being branded.
They ale\ready brand most stadiums. It’s no longer the Houston Astrodome, it’s Daikin Park.
Soon enough, it won’t be the Houston Texans, it will be the NRG Texans…where they play will be a function of which business wants to fund their playpen and pay for naming rights.
They ale\ready brand most stadiums. It’s no longer the Houston Astrodome, it’s Daikin Park.
Soon enough, it won’t be the Houston Texans, it will be the NRG Texans…where they play will be a function of which business wants to fund their playpen and pay for naming rights.
houstonspartan
All Pro
I think what gets me is that the stadium isn't even paid for. And won't be for a while. So, as we continue to charge taxes for NRG, there's consideration for a NEW stadium? So does that mean we raise tourist taxes yet again? There's only so much you can increase taxes.
AND, let's say we build a new stadium. Then what happens at NRG park? Do we keep the old stadium next to the Astrodome? TWO empty stadiums?
AND, let's say we build a new stadium. Then what happens at NRG park? Do we keep the old stadium next to the Astrodome? TWO empty stadiums?
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Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I keep seeing everyone complaining about their "increased" taxes going to the stadium, either upkeep or a new one; and yet I am like 99% sure the only taxes that changed to finance the stadium were the rates to hotel rooms and rental cars.
Also how is Harris Co's utter and total mismanagement of this escaping any critiques?
It's the fact that the McNair's bent the county over in the deal because of fans that wanted a NFL football team at all costs. Well, we've got the same middling crap that we had when the Oilers were down on Kirby.
houstonspartan
All Pro
No one is letting Harris Co off the hook. They blew it. Couldn't even keep up maintenance on the stadium.
Regarding taxes, yes it's tourist taxes, but even those have a limit. When I had to rent a car locally I couldn't believe how much the stadium fees added to the final bill. So, for a new stadium, do we just keep piling on hotel and car rental taxes? How far do we go with that? Double? Triple?
badboy
Hall of Fame
And yet the overwhelming majority of those going to the stadium have not paid anything for it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Do taxes from tourism have a limit? Apparently not as it continuously increases. Of course, covid took a whack at it as it did almost everything else. But we still seem to be doing pretty well.
Houston Tourism Statistics - How Many Tourists Visit? (2023)
In 2023, Houston welcomed 51.4 million visitors, with 1.2 million international tourists and 50.2 million domestic travellers.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
I don't care if they leave. I really don't. In the 90's when the Oiler's took off I wasn't ready to just keep watching the team play football in some other city. It didn't matter that I rarely went to games and always watched it on TV (when it was on). I thought "If they move to Nashville they won't be my team anymore". I didn't understand that they were never my team or even Houston's team. They were Bud's team. Now they are Cal's team. If I want to watch CJ Stroud and Nico I can watch them on TV no matter where they play. I just don't care to see the county and city tied up to this mess anymore. How does a stadium get $1.4 billion dollars in need of repair and updating in 23 years? What a bunch of bullshit.
Mangler
Toro de España
I’ll tell exactly how that happened. Politics. Harris county demanded ownership of the home team’s stadium, then proceeded to neglect the stadium for 23 years, deeming it middle of the pack to bottom of the barrel. Kinda like the way the city Houston stacks up to other cities, IN TEXAS! We have fallen way behind and now that Harris County has gone public saying they’re on the brink of bankruptcy, don’t be surprised if Houston ends up looking like these border cities in Texas.
Just as with the Oilers... Texans leave so does my fandom.
Difference being now, I don't have the energy to start over with a new team.
Texans showed up I was in my 20s. Single, probably a borderline alcoholic with a 2.5 pack a day habit.
Now, Im in my 40s, Im sure 50s by the time they even think of filling any void the Texans leave if they depart. Happily married, mostly 99.999% alcohol free and 0 packs a day. (Can't drink without smoking so I mostly quit both)
Better ways to invest my time and energy than trying to form a pointless emotional (albeit not a deep one) bond to a new team.
I don't want them to leave.... but IF it gets ugly... I'll survive either way and all I will have left to say is "bye Felicia" if they do go.
Difference being now, I don't have the energy to start over with a new team.
Texans showed up I was in my 20s. Single, probably a borderline alcoholic with a 2.5 pack a day habit.
Now, Im in my 40s, Im sure 50s by the time they even think of filling any void the Texans leave if they depart. Happily married, mostly 99.999% alcohol free and 0 packs a day. (Can't drink without smoking so I mostly quit both)
Better ways to invest my time and energy than trying to form a pointless emotional (albeit not a deep one) bond to a new team.
I don't want them to leave.... but IF it gets ugly... I'll survive either way and all I will have left to say is "bye Felicia" if they do go.
No doubt they would replaced relatively quickly... but how long until that new team would be in the position to win like the Texans?
I mean, historically probably wouldn't take them long to get to the playoffs win the wildcard and get eliminated the next game but... IF you want a team that badly just keep the one you have.
We either need to take care of the teams we have or get used to being Los Angeles on the gulf... plenty of demographic but cant keep one.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I wish Harris County had a great negotiator but I think he is tied up right now
badboy
Hall of Fame
Texans new president says no relocation.
houstonspartan
All Pro
I read that earlier. Notice that he said "Greater Houston." They could ask for a new stadium and still move out to the burbs, which would suck, in my opinion.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I don't see that indicated.
houstonspartan
All Pro
"While we are open to all options, one of them emphatically is not leaving Greater Houston."
houstonspartan
All Pro
The County definitely dropped the ball. They just let the stadium fall into disrepair without giving a ****. For a stadium that isn't even paid for! Unbelievable.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I work for Harris county and can’t really even wander into this conversation without slipping into political talk so I’m just going to say it is entirely unsurprising to me.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Government bureaucracy of any type is inherently inefficient, and Houston and Harris Country excel at it.
So trueGovernment bureaucracy of any type is inherently inefficient, and Houston and Harris Country excel at it.
So sad
Yep, mismanagement capped off with corruption over the yrs.
Agreed, but what over the past 23 yrs makes you think the McNair's have a burning desire to bring a championship to this city? They're being run a lot like the Oilers were run. Give hope and make a few billion dollars, then rebuild, rinse, wash, repeat.
Exactly and if the NFL knows this they probably will start rigging games like when the Rams moved to LA. See: Rams vs Saints NFCCG, it's good for NFL business.
Why would it suck? It's sucks that NRG sits in a rundown part of town, where there's nowhere to go before/after games. The only gameday experience thing that's good is the tailgaiting experience.
houstonspartan
All Pro
It would suck because it's currently located in the core of the city. There is light rail access that a lot of people use to get to the games. Yes they should build up more things in that area, but that's a lot simpler than moving it all the way out to the Woodlands.
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That part of town is in the slums they built NRG and didn't build anything around it. If they build a new stadium on that sight they aren't going to build up that area and it will be more of the same old same old. Having rail isn't a good enough reason to build (again) in failed area of town.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
There is no chance Houston would get a third NFL franchise if the Texans left, Houston is not the LA market in the eyes of the NFL.
Mangler
Toro de España
I’m not so sure about that. The franchise being one of the most valuable at $6.1 billion kinda says otherwise. Not to mention Houston being THE biggest city in Texas, and Texas being the 2nd biggest state (by population) in the U.S.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Media market size means more than population size, and the DFW media market is larger than Houston. Also the NFL would need to add a second team if Houston got an expansion team (the hypothetical 3rd franchise) to balance the conferences. The cost of entry has gone up significantly, so you need to find a new owner (and possibly one who can finance a stadium).
No chance might have been a bit much, but the deck would certainly be stacked against Houston in securing a 3rd NFL franchise. Like I said, LA is the only market to pull it off and Houston is not LA in the mind of the NFL, and if Houston lost 2 franchises, I doubt the NFL would look favorable on the location/local government
Mangler
Toro de España
I get it what you’re saying. Relocation probably only means relocating to a new site in this case. I don’t know that for a fact, but the way they went about connecting with the fanbase, new uniforms, and incorporating Houston area rappers and celebrities makes me believe they ain’t trying to leave the city at all. We’ll see though.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I agree, I think reloaction to the Texans means out of Harris County not to a new market.
houstonspartan
All Pro
I'm trying to mentally picture stadium traffic mixing in with Galveston beach traffic on a Sunday afternoon. Yikes.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
In a sprawling city such as Houston, there is no “good” location except where it’s at which is centrally located.
Moving it out to Sugarland…Yeah, you’re basically alienating the whole north side of Houston…which is why no one even knows a damn thing about the Skeeters or that there’s minor league baseball here in town. Same thing for moving it out to the Woodlands only you’re alienating the south Houston folks..and 45 is terrible enough as it is around that area.
They need to put money into that area around the stadium to make it more of a hang out spot.