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Texas Longhorns Football - 2012

pbat488 said:
no, people's opinions are based on texas fans. nobody hates a school.

as for the refereeing, the fumble/touchdown was a bad call, but like dopp said it wasn't clear and therefore had to stand as called. it's just another instance where people see texas seemingly be the beneficiary of an official's terrible decision at an important juncture of the game.
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Welcome to an Aggie fan, weighing in on the most recent win by the Texas Longhorns.

Well, in any case, I wish the Aggies well in the SEC, and I will be rooting for them to win every game they play, unless they play UT again, of course. So please do not think that any lingering animosity harbored towards Texas by so many A&M fans is generally reciprocated back at you guys. Certainly in my case, nothing could be further from the truth.

So, if this is the way you happen to feel, it is a one-way deal.
 
West Virginia 48 - Texas 45

West Virginia stepped up their game to the next level tonight, especially on defense. I did not believe that WVU was going to be able to pull of that level of improvement on defense after giving up 63 points to Baylor last week. But they did. The Miners are evolving before our eyes into a very good football team.

Texas on the other hand, continued to struggle on defense. There were a lot of missed tackles and far too many big plays. The pressure on the QB was reasonably good, but a lot of credit has to go to WVU QB Geno Smith, who will almost certainly be one of the early QB's taken in the NFL draft next year. He looked great.

The Horns did not look terrible, but they were certainly not as good as WVU was tonight. However, the Longhorns defense does appear to continue to be in need of some remedial improvements.

Next up, Oklahoma in Dallas, who put a 41-20 shellacking on Texas Tech tonight.
 
MojoMan said:
West Virginia 48 - Texas 45

West Virginia stepped up their game to the next level tonight, especially on defense. I did not believe that WVU was going to be able to pull of that level of improvement on defense after giving up 63 points to Baylor last week. But they did. The Miners are evolving before our eyes into a very good football team.

Texas on the other hand, continued to struggle on defense. There were a lot of missed tackles and far too many big plays. The pressure on the QB was reasonably good, but a lot of credit has to go to WVU QB Geno Smith, who will almost certainly be one of the early QB's taken in the NFL draft next year. He looked great.

The Horns did not look terrible, but they were certainly not as good as WVU was tonight. However, the Longhorns defense does appear to continue to be in need of some remedial improvements.

Next up, Oklahoma in Dallas, who put a 41-20 shellacking on Texas Tech tonight.
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No sir. They beat an inferior team.
 
Showtime100 said:
No sir. They beat an inferior team.
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Did you actually watch the game? The scoreboard was decided on a botched snap when Texas was inside West Virginia's five yard-line late in the fourth quarter. It was about a twenty yard loss and a FG was missed on the next play. Both teams looked equal to me last night.
 
JCTexan said:
Did you actually watch the game? The scoreboard was decided on a botched snap when Texas was inside West Virginia's five yard-line late in the fourth quarter. It was about a twenty yard loss and a FG was missed on the next play. Both teams looked equal to me last night.
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That's part of being a good complete team.

If you are botching snaps and missing field goals and the other team isnt then you aren't as good as them.

I can see if you are saying there were some questionable calls by the Refs or something beyond the control of coaching and players on the field, but they made those errors, hence they didn't play as well as the other team.

Maybe if they played again they could win, but on that day they were not as good.
 
Rey said:
That's part of being a good complete team.

If you are botching snaps and missing field goals and the other team isnt then you aren't as good as them.

I can see if you are saying there were some questionable calls by the Refs or something beyond the control of coaching and players on the field, but they made those errors, hence they didn't play as well as the other team.

Maybe if they played again they could win, but on that day they were not as good.
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I understand that Texas lost the game. I just don't think they are inferior to West Virginia because they botched a snap. West Virginia didn't seem to trust their kicking game either (both teams were going for every 4th down). 'A good complete team' doesn't give up 45 points.

I'm not knocking West Virginia by any means, I just don't think they're superior because Texas failed to convert in the redzone late.
 
JCTexan said:
I understand that Texas lost the game. I just don't think they are inferior to West Virginia because they botched a snap. West Virginia didn't seem to trust their kicking game either (both teams were going for every 4th down). 'A good complete team' doesn't give up 45 points.

I'm not knocking West Virginia by any means, I just don't think they're superior because Texas failed to convert in the redzone late.
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To be fair, West Virginia did win the game in Austin. We do have to give the Miners some credit. This was a big win for them. And Texas did not look all that great on the defensive side of the ball.

These are both very good college football teams. But this year, WVU is better. They proved it on the field. Nobody was cheated. it was not the referees fault. And neither George W. Bush or Barack Obama was there, so they cannot be blamed either.

I hate to say it, but it is true and it needs to be said. Texas does not deserve to be ranked in the top 10 right now, and they will not be, because they just are not good enough. If the Horns want to be ranked in the top 10 going forward, then they will have to win games like this, at home against an opponent ranked slightly higher than them.

There is no excuse. I am as big a Texas fan as anyone here on this board - I authored this thread, for crying out loud - but let's be reasonable here. The Texas Longhorns lost to a better WVU team in Austin yesterday. That is all there is to it.
 
MojoMan said:
To be fair, West Virginia did win the game in Austin. We do have to give the Miners some credit. This was a big win for them. And Texas did not look all that great on the defensive side of the ball.

These are both very good college football teams. But this year, WVU is better. They proved it on the field. Nobody was cheated. it was not the referees fault. And neither George W. Bush or Barack Obama was there, so they cannot be blamed either.

I hate to say it, but it is true and it needs to be said. Texas does not deserve to be ranked in the top 10 right now, and they will not be, because they just are not good enough. If the Horns want to be ranked in the top 10 going forward, then they will have to win games like this, at home against an opponent ranked slightly higher than them.

There is no excuse. I am as big a Texas fan as anyone here on this board - I authored this thread, for crying out loud - but let's be reasonable here. The Texas Longhorns lost to a better WVU team in Austin yesterday. That is all there is to it.
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I'm not disputing any of that. West Virginia won the game. I'm not saying anything negative about West Virginia. Texas lost the game. No argument there. I didn't say either team was cheated in any way. I just didn't see a superior or inferior team on either sideline last night. I understand the game was in Austin but both teams looked equal to me last night. The game was ultimately decided by a botched snap/missed FG.
 
West Virginia jumps to #5, Texas falls to #15:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

That looks about right.

Next Saturday, #5 WVU faces off against #6 Kansas State. Both teams are undefeated. That should be a good one.

Meanwhile, #15 Texas faces off against #13 Oklahoma in Dallas. That should be pretty good too.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Do you have a favorite college team or is it just whomever is playing Texas each week?
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Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)
 
Showtime100 said:
Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)
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Better? No. I just didn't think either team looked superior/inferior last night.
 
Showtime100 said:
Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)
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You're bashing Longhorns fans in this very post though. One minute you say you aren't being mean spirited, but then turn right around and scoff at every UT fan. Exaggeration much? This very website is pretty strong proof that Longhorn fans get bashed enough without having to say or do a thing. Not that there aren't a ton of UT fans out there that don't warrant this, but several of you in here chime in to every UT thread that exists just to say this same thing over and over again. We get it, you guys think that the Longhorn fans are a bunch of snobs and over zealous fans. Fine, but don't sit here and turn your nose up when UT fans are excited about a win, a great game, or when they're discussing the team's improvements. The Aggies fans in here are hilarious with this. They're in every Longhorns thread taking a shot at the team or the fans every chance they get.
 
Showtime100 said:
Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.
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I don't disagree with some of what you are saying. However, I am going to give you something to think about. Most intolerable Longhorns fans I have met or know are also Cowboys fans. I would venture to say that the majority of the LH fanbase are also Cowboys fans.

I have seen it in many friends I have who are Longhorns/Cowboys fans. Most of the ones that were making me ill about VY and becoming Titans fans because of VY were also Cowboys fans.

It's apparently natural for them to act the same way about the team they root on Saturdays as the one they root for on Sundays.

However maybe we are a minority but there are a good amount of UT fans that grew up Oilers fans and are now Texans fans. We don't have that Cowboy fan mentality with our college team.

My point is there is no need to stomp on UT fans here because we are not the Cowboy fan types that you hate so much. Go bash away on Shaggy or some Cowboys board where it is often deserved.
 
It's time for Elmer Fudd to say "Red River Rivalry"

How Texas will win
The Longhorns have to get the ball moving on the ground early. If Bergeron sees plenty of carries and averages more than five yards per rush, Texas will move the ball well. If they can use that success to set up the pass, Ash will have a decent time spreading the ball, too.
If Ash can stay as consistent and accurate as he has been to this point, he will find holes in the Sooner defense. Note the "if," though. That will be much easier said than done against that secondary. The windows he does find, if he finds them, will be very tight.
Defensively, Texas will need to get constant pressure on Jones and force him to hurry. On the ground, they need to look for the strip. Put the ball on the ground. If they can do that more than once, the Longhorns have a chance.
How Oklahoma will win
For the Sooners, finding open holes in the Texas secondary is key. They need big blocking up front and a solid pocket to give Jones the time he needs. Disciplined route-running and accurate passing will set the tone for the Oklahoma offense.
The running backs will need to hang onto the ball. A high turnover game will favor Texas in this contest and cripple the Sooners. Possession and field position will be the bread and butter for Oklahoma.
When Texas has the ball, the Sooners will want to focus on the run. If they can force Texas into passing situations, it works in favor of Oklahoma. A shootout-type of game is exactly what the Sooners want. If the scoring gets high, look for Oklahoma to be on top.
http://www.examiner.com/article/2012-at-t-red-river-rivalry-game-looks-like-a-heavyweight-matchup
:doot:
 
NastyNate said:
Man it's rough for UT, they showed a stat at the beginning of the 2nd quarter, 300+ yards Sooners, 14 yards for UT.
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What do you expect when your offense can't sustain a drive? That Texas defense has been on the field over 20 minutes this half... ugly.
 
3rd Q score: 36 - 2; Boomer-Sooners !
Yea UT screwed up the Big 12, now they still can't compete with the good teams there. Sorry-Azz outfit, serves them right !
 
Geez, what as ass whoopin. Texas goes toe-to-toe with a great West Virginia team and now they lay this clunker.
 
IDEXAN said:
3rd Q score: 36 - 2; Boomer-Sooners !
Yea UT screwed up the Big 12, now they still can't compete with the good teams there. Sorry-Azz outfit, serves them right !
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They were a tip here or there from beating WVU last week. This week, no excuses, except for Manny's Diaz's defense is not tackling at all. On FB I've proposed they put Bevo on the DL...would clog up the rushing lanes.

I don't get the calls for UT ruining the Big 12, every college in the Big 12 continually voted for the uneven revenue sharing model every time it came to a vote. Also the conference as a whole should've been able to get a network together or a good TV deal, which they did last year finally.

In terms of the Big 12 right now it probably has the most quality depth of any conference outside the SEC.

With OU likely headed to the win and could be vaulted back into the top 10. It'd have 3 teams in the top 10. Even with A&M and Mizzou leaving the conference got two equally good programs in WVU and TCU.

The two biggest front runners in the Hesiman are from the Big 12 right now in Geno Smith and Colin Klein.
 
LOL .. they just pulled the game off the air here in Florida. They switched to the Tech / West Virginia game.
 
This UT defense is horrible. It's 2010 Texans/Frank Bush bad. I quit watching it when OU scored that 95 yard run, I knew right then that UT defense was going to do jack today. It is starting to look like a change needs to be made, there is no excuse for Texas to be this bad with the supposedly great recruiting classes they have.
 
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Dan B. said:
He's definitely on the hot seat.
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Why would he be on the hot seat? He should have been fired after he was the biggest under achiever in the Applewhite/Simms days. I used to get so fired up over these types of losses, but I just expect them with Mack Brown.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter. We all know that, but as a game day coach, he has never scared anyone and Oklahoma fans have always wanted Mack and Greg Davis there for a reason. When your main rival doesn't want your coach to go anywhere, it's usually pretty obvious why.

Mack will coach Texas as long as he wants unfortunately. I was forced to accept that many years ago.
 
Texecutioner said:
Why would he be on the hot seat? He should have been fired after he was the biggest under achiever in the Applewhite/Simms days. I used to get so fired up over these types of losses, but I just expect them with Mack Brown.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter. We all know that, but as a game day coach, he has never scared anyone and Oklahoma fans have always wanted Mack and Greg Davis there for a reason. When your main rival doesn't want your coach to go anywhere, it's usually pretty obvious why.

Mack will coach Texas as long as he wants unfortunately. I was forced to accept that many years ago.
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Mack will be forced to retire by the bigwigs. He's already used up the "changing coordinators" bit and now it's just on him.

They may yet lose to Baylor, Tech and/or TCU.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter.
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Shouldn't any coach at Texas be a good recruiter based on the fact that you coach at the University of Texas?

I don't know a whole lot of college football history but I would of thought certain schools would recruit well just because of who they are?
 
Stemp said:
Mack will be forced to retire by the bigwigs. He's already used up the "changing coordinators" bit and now it's just on him.

They may yet lose to Baylor, Tech and/or TCU.
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I would love for that to be true, but you're way off. Mack is a god at UT for some reason, and the athletic department cherishes the guy. Mack's been the biggest joke of a game day coach in college for like 12 years. He was going to walk when they first tried to fire Greg Davis before VY got there and Mack was going to walk until VY saved their jobs. VY didn't play like the freak he was in college until he was left alone and wasn't really coached. That ought to tell you a lot. The Horns couldn't go anywhere after VY left until Muschamp got there and got that entire team playing with intensity and with a chip on their shoulder. It was very similar to how the Texans under achieved and Wade came in and changed things. It was no surprise that the Longhorns have been garbage still since Muschamp left. I couldn't wait to see Muschamp as their next HC, but then Meyer had to leave Florida for the 10th time and Florida got him away from us.

Mack will coach at Texas as long as he wants.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Shouldn't any coach at Texas be a good recruiter based on the fact that you coach at the University of Texas?

I don't know a whole lot of college football history but I would of thought certain schools would recruit well just because of who they are?
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No, it isn't that simple. If it was, Mackovich would have done that and he didn't. Mack can recruit like a MOFO. But yeah, at this point as long as Texas hired a big name HC pretty much any big name HC could recruit fairly easily there. Mack Brown is the perfect guy to lead the athletic department and that is where he has always belonged, but if he wants to coach, they're not going to push him out. Maybe if he stinks for another two seasons, but that is a ways away.
 
The first half played by Texas might just be the worst collective effort by a football team that I have ever seen at any level. The second half was atrocious as well. This was a complete meltdown by the Texas Longhorns, especially following a nice win against Oklahoma State, and a competitive showing against #5 West Virginia last week. And now with two conference losses, the Longhorns appear to be out of the running for any of the top bowl games. What a debacle.

But how much fun for all the UT haters in our midst. You guys enjoy this one. The Texas Longhorns will return. Unfortunately, I can't even pretend to know exactly when.
 
Look at it this way, losing another game or two would put you guys in line to come meet A&M in the Cotton Bowl this year so we can enjoy the best rivalry in Texas! :D
 
MojoMan said:
But how much fun for all the UT haters in our midst. You guys enjoy this one. The Texas Longhorns will return. Unfortunately, I can't even pretend to know exactly when.
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THis last part is pretty funny Mojo. It sounds to me like you don't allow yourself to get so emotionally invested into the Horns anymore like I used to. I always expect this kind of thing at any moment with Mack at the helm, so luckily it doesn't chap my hide the way it used to. The only time it does is when everything is going so well like it was when Muschamp was here and Mack's ineptitude screws it up. A lot of people over looked how bad Mack Brown was in that Big 12 championship game a few years ago in McCoy's last season here where Mack almost completely blew the game at the end with the worst clock management I had ever seen in my life. It put the kicker in the worst "clutch" type of situation and I was so happy that the poor kid didn't blow it, but I wouldn't have blamed him if he did. Mack is awful. Always has been. I always have wondered how many trophies and Big 12 championships the Horns would have if Stoops and Mack were swapped around?
 
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