Texian's Post College Season, Pre Combine Mock;

[Texian]

Look, to all the critics and haters of me taking Jake Coker with the 22nd pick, I understand. Most of the hate and criticism comes from Coker not being your guy, I get it. Much like 2014 and Teddy Bridgrewater, this year many appear to have fallen in love with Jared Goff even before the season started. Well it's time to face the music and the reality that goes with it. There are roughly 10 teams needing a QB that pick well before the Texans do at #22. If your guy is Jared Goff or Carson Wentz then for all practical purposes they will be long gone before the Texans pick. For the record Carson Wentz is my guy but from my point of view, not only do I think Carson will be long gone by pick #22, Wentz could be the first QB drafted. So it would be a little bit silly for me to put Carson Wentz in my mock at pick #22. That also goes for Goff. Even if I did put Carson at #22 and Wentz wasn't your guy there would still be the same hate and criticism, I get it. In all seriousness when it comes to pick #22 and QBs, the discussion is pretty much down to Coker, Cook and Hackenberg and I am no fan of Hackenberg and less a fan of Cook. Jake Coker has won every game he has started playing in the SEC. Coker's last 3 games were the SEC Championship, Semi Final Cotton Bowl and the National Championship. No QB in the land faced a tougher final 3 games. Coker rose to the occasion in each game, displayed strong team leadership and did what he had to do to in order for his team to win every game, all with no turn overs.

 

[steelbtexan]

Look to all the critics and haters of me taking Jake Coker with the 22nd pick, I understand. Most of the hate and criticism comes from Coker not being your guy, I get it. Much like 2014 and Teddy Bridgrewater, this year many appear to have fallen in love with Jared Goff even before the season started. Well it's time to face the music and the reality that goes with it. There are roughly 10 teams needing a QB that pick well before the Texans do at #22. If your guy guy is Jared Goff, Paxton Lynch or Carson Wentz then for all practical purposes they will be long gone before the Texans pick. For the record Carson Wentz is my guy but from my point of view, not only do I think Carson will be long gone by pick #22, Wentz could be the first QB drafted. So it would be a little bit silly for me to put Carson Wentz in my mock at pick #22. That also goes for Goff and Lynch. Even if I did put Carson at #22 and Wentz wasn't your guy there would still be the same hate and criticism, I get it. In all seriousness when it comes to pick #22 and QBs, the discussion is pretty much down to Coker and Hackenberg and I am no fan of Hackenberg. Jake Coker has won every game he has started playing in the SEC. Coker's last 3 games were the SEC Championship, Semi Final Cotton Bowl and the National Championship. No QB in the land faced a tougher final 3 games. Coker rose to the occasion in each game, displayed strong team leadership and did what he had to do to in order for his team to win every game.

I like Coker, BTW I like Goff as the best QB in this draft. So we will have to disargee on Goff, unless 1. Goff lights it up and you change your mind or 2. Goff craps the bed and I change mine.

I do agree the pick will come down to Hack or Coker and I think Hack will be the pick. What I do know is fans on this MB who have never seen Hack play will be crying about what a terrible pick Hack is and that BOB should be fired.

 

[steelbtexan]

Coker will not sniff the first round. I like the kid i think with some seasoning he could be good, but what last night showed me is he isnt quite ready for the pro game. He threw 2 td passes, but to a wide open TE with no one within 10 yards of him. He had some nice throws into tight windows, but there were very few. He still holds the ball to long, doesnt climb the pocket at all instead retreats into the pass rush. He just look inexperienced which i would expect. He doesnt trust his eyes and throws receivers open instead waits for them to be open, that is big when projecting someone at the next level as you have to throw with anticipation in the pros. If the game was to fast for him last night imagine it in college when everyone is faster and defenses are disguised better

I agree he needs to improve on holding on to the ball too long. Hopefully that's due to inexperience and can be corrected with proper coaching and experience. But I would say he threw Stewart open last night and did so several times against Mich St. He threw the ball into some very tight windows against Miss St.

 

[steelbtexan]

Coker impressed me in his two games during the playoffs but I'm still not seeing 1st round. He showed a lot of poise and moxie in those games but there are still some pretty clear flaws. Now many of those flaws can be fixed with more experience as a lot of them (as Mollywhopper pointed out) are mental issues that typically improve with more playing time. However, the guy only has 14 career starts under his belt and played a game manager role in just about all of those games. I have a hard time seeing a team use a 1st on a guy with that kind of resume. I think it's much more likely that he's a 2nd/3rd round choice.

How would you compare Coker to Cook?

 

[Texian]

I agree he needs to improve on holding on to the ball too long. Hopefully that's due to inexperience and can be corrected with proper coaching and experience. But I would say he threw Stewart open last night and did so several times against Mich St. He threw the ball into some very tight windows against Miss St.

I think he pretty much had it corrected in the 2nd half or am I the only one who noticed? He did take a sack in the 2nd half but that was on the RT #76 who was impersonating a turnstile.

 

[Texian]

I like Coker, BTW I like Goff as the best QB in this draft. So we will have to disargee on Goff, unless 1. Goff lights it up and you change your mind or 2. Goff craps the bed and I change mine.

I do agree the pick will come down to Hack or Coker and I think Hack will be the pick. What I do know is fans on this MB who have never seen Hack play will be crying about what a terrible pick Hack is and that BOB should be fired.

The best way I can explain people loving and wanting Goff this year is similar to those Texans fans who were loving and wanting Mariotta last year, only the odds and chances for this year are worse than the odds and chances of last year. For the Texans to have even a remote chance at Wentz or Goff they would need to come up with a similar trade Atlanta made for Julio Jones. My guess is OB trading up to #18 for Hackenberg has a much better chance of happening, sad to say.

 

[WolverineFan]

How would you compare Coker to Cook?

Have to say I might like Coker more even though he's a bit of a project. He's more accurate, better athlete, has a ton of moxie, and appears to be a better leader and teammate.

I don't necessarily dislike Cook, I just think he's maxed out. He's a game manager at the next level, IMO. Coker was a game manager at the college level but he has the tools to be more. He just doesn't have the experience.

 

[Texian]

This is false, I never waivered on my Teddy B love. I saw him as a top QB and a winner. I made it very clear 2 years ago I would have done anything possible to have him as my QB. Just because NFL draft scout or Walter Football called him a late first rounder or Mike Mayock wrote him off after his 2nd pass attempt at the combine didn't mean I didn't see him as the best QB.

I'm sure Texian is referring to me though. My opinion is my opinion and doesn't always line up exactly the way "experts" opinions do. There are many risers and sinkers between now and the draft. Don't be shocked if some top tier "consensus" QBs start fading while other later guys start rising.

He was a missed 27 yard field goal away from being in the 2nd round of the NFL playoffs in his 2nd year too. None of the other QBs that were relevant can even say they've tasted a winning record. I hope I don't divert the topic too much from this statement. Just wanted to say that some (myself) definitely thought Teddy B was the top QB in the draft.

No I wasn't referring to you specifically, there were dozens or let's just say a large majority had the same opinions as you about Teddy. And now like then, many have those same feelings for Jared Goff. Then like now if you say anything remotely constructive about the guy they've fallen in love with they get mighty defensive, snarky and down right mean. You were never like that. I remember us having some good spirited debate and always on friendly terms.

 

[Shishkabob]

For the record I do not dislike Coker . In fact I would be very happy to end up with him I just do not see him as a first round pick. There are always many qb needy teams, but I think the league has been smart to not reach for them after the 2011 debacle. Now they could repeat themselves and do that, but I don't think the texans should follow suit. I just see Coker as more of a project than a day 1 starter and that's why I have him lower. I like Wentz and Goff as 1.a and 1.b in this draft but I gear to many people are realizing Wentzs talent and we will have to trade into the top 15 for him. After he is gone I don't have another first round grade on any qb. Including Lynch.

I would be perfectly fine in a scenario where we take Coker in the 2nd or 3rd and let him sit a bit. Unfortunately I think any rookie qb we could add into the fold will need to sit a little while with our complicated offense

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I said this last year after looking back at like 50 years of NFL drafts, but 3 qb's going in the first round is the most that have ever gone if I'm not mistaken....I could be, but I don't think 4 qbs have ever gone in round one....

I said this over and over again 2 years ago when people had 4 or 5 going and like 3 in the top 15. I guess it could happen, but it'd be the first time ever....if I'm not mistaken.

I think one of the top three qb's will be within range for us to trade up for if not just outright take at our pick.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I said this last year after looking back at like 50 years of NFL drafts, but 3 qb's going in the first round is the most that have ever gone if I'm not mistaken....I could be mid-remembering, but I don't think 4 qbs have ever gone in round one....

I said this over and over again 2 years ago when people had 4 or 5 going and like 3 in the top 15. I guess it could happen, but it'd be the first time ever....if I'm not mistaken.

I think one of the top three qb's will be within range for us to trade up for if not just outright take at our pick.

More than likely 1 or 2 of them will fall and go lower than where everyone has them slated.

 

[Shishkabob]

Also the 22nd pick has poor history with QB'S , J.P. Losman, Rex Grossman, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel.

I know it means nothing but still funny

 

[Texian]

I said this last year after looking back at like 50 years of NFL drafts, but 3 qb's going in the first round is the most that have ever gone if I'm not mistaken....I could be mid-remembering, but I don't think 4 qbs have ever gone in round one....

I said this over and over again 2 years ago when people had 4 or 5 going and like 3 in the top 15. I guess it could happen, but it'd be the first time ever....if I'm not mistaken.

I think one of the top three qb's will be within range for us to trade up for if not just outright take at our pick.

More than likely 1 or 2 of them will fall and go lower than where everyone has them slated.

1983 = 6

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

1983 = 6

You're right.

I cant remember if that was an outlier or if I only looked at 7 round drafts.

I'll try to find my post about it from 2 years ago.

 

[Texian]

You're right.

I cant remember if that was an outlier or if I only looked at 7 round drafts.

I'll try to find my post about it from 2 years ago.

For the most part this/your assessment is right and IMHO I think it will hold true this year. This may be a year like 2011 where 4 QBs went in RD1 and 6 QBs in the Top 36 picks. At this point I'm not convinced that Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook make the 1st RD

 

[TexansFTW]

I like Coker, BTW I like Goff as the best QB in this draft. So we will have to disargee on Goff, unless 1. Goff lights it up and you change your mind or 2. Goff craps the bed and I change mine.

I do agree the pick will come down to Hack or Coker and I think Hack will be the pick. What I do know is fans on this MB who have never seen Hack play will be crying about what a terrible pick Hack is and that BOB should be fired.

What if I've seen him play and want the firing anyway?

I'm not calling for BoB's head actually even though it probably appears like it. I don't think he's a horrible coach. I just think he's a horrible decision maker. What's worse is our GM might be the only other person in football worse at it. BoB has made it pretty evident in decisions he likes familiarity which is why most of us see Hack heading down South.

The truth is BoB didn't even recruit Hack, he was already committed before he got there. He just coached him. That says to me that maybe BoB isn't the best at finding talent and maybe we should put someone in place that can find it for him and he just coach who we deliver. Too bad I'm asking Rick Smith to be competent in this equation though.

Hack isn't horrible by any means. I actually don't mind him and have already come to terms with getting behind the pick. I guess I'm just tired of the predictability and failure.

 

[TexansFTW]

No I wasn't referring to you specifically, there were dozens or let's just say a large majority had the same opinions as you about Teddy. And now like then, many have those same feelings for Jared Goff. Then like now if you say anything remotely constructive about the guy they've fallen in love with they get mighty defensive, snarky and down right mean. You were never like that. I remember us having some good spirited debate and always on friendly terms.

Hah, good stuff. I remember before draft day after Mayock and the "draftnik" community decided Bridgewater wasn't worthy I felt like I was on an island with my Teddy B love and flag planted.

Football is over now. My decisions and opinions probably won't change at all from this point on. Connor Cook was my guy through and through but in his final audition he fell flat on his face and went dead to me.

I'd accept him with our late 2nd rounder now, but wouldn't trade up.

 

[TexansFTW]

The best way I can explain people loving and wanting Goff this year is similar to those Texans fans who were loving and wanting Mariotta last year, only the odds and chances for this year are worse than the odds and chances of last year. For the Texans to have even a remote chance at Wentz or Goff they would need to come up with a similar trade Atlanta made for Julio Jones. My guess is OB trading up to #18 for Hackenberg has a much better chance of happening, sad to say.

Man... no way Hack gets all the way to 18. He's going to climb in T Shirt and shorts cause he has the tools, but he ain't climbing that high. Plus the Colts pick at #18.

In my ideal scenario we trade down to the late 20s / early 30s and I believe he's still sitting there for us. Then we have that extra year of rookie tagging available to us and hopefully we accumulated extra picks to use at other positions of need like RB and T.

 

[Shishkabob]

Man... no way Hack gets all the way to 18. He's going to climb in T Shirt and shorts cause he has the tools, but he ain't climbing that high. Plus the Colts pick at #18.

In my ideal scenario we trade down to the late 20s / early 30s and I believe he's still sitting there for us. Then we have that extra year of rookie tagging available to us and hopefully we accumulated extra picks to use at other positions of need like RB and T.

Well the Colts already proved last year they are willing to draft a player they dont need just to stop us from getting him

 

[Texian]

Hah, good stuff. I remember before draft day after Mayock and the "draftnik" community decided Bridgewater wasn't worthy I felt like I was on an island with my Teddy B love and flag planted.

Football is over now. My decisions and opinions probably won't change at all from this point on. Connor Cook was my guy through and through but in his final audition he fell flat on his face and went dead to me.

I'd accept him with our late 2nd rounder now, but wouldn't trade up.

I know the feeling, for the longest time, it was me and Texecutioner stranded on Bortles Island.

 

[Shishkabob]

I know the feeling, for the longest time, it was me and Texecutioner stranded on Bortles Island.

I wasnt on this site, but I was on the Bortles train as well. I never saw him developing into an elite talent, but saw his ceiling at about the Rivers, Roethlisberger, Flacco level which would still be a great solid first round choice. I liked Teddy as we just because he was a gamer and no matter the game it never seemed to big for him, and thats an attribute you cant teach, but i knew he would have his physical limits.

The one QB from that class I wish i wouldve given more attention to was Carr. I saw his game against USC, and it brought back flashbacks of David playing here just crumpling under pressure and i wanted nothing to do with him.

 

[thunderkyss]

RD 1. Jake Coker, QB, BAMA - Why? Because Carson Wentz will be long gone. Don't be surprised if Coker turns out to be best QB in this draft.

RD 2. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana - Why? Because Duane Brown has less than 50% chance to successfully return from his type of injury.

RD 3. Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford - Why? Because Texan OL is a weak link and needs to get better, run blocking, get stronger.

RD 4. Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas -Why? Arian Foster suffered an Achilles injury.

RD 5. Halapoulivaati Vaitai, OT, TCU - Why? Because Derek Newton didn't play very well.

What I think is likely to happen, the Texans will put together an expensive package (ala Nix) to trade up in RD 1 to draft Christian Hackenberg.

I'd love it. QB in the first... bitches can stop bitching. A lot of meat for the OL. & a RB from Arkansas. Of course I don't watch college football, so I don't know the particulars of any of these guys, except I've heard a name or two in passing.

So.... you're getting a little slack on your QB. What if we took that Arkansas TE instead, then come back & get Coker say in the third, giving up our 6th, 7th and next year's 5th or something like that?

We get a much more dynamic TE & still get your QB.

 

[Texian]

I'd love it. QB in the first... bitches can stop bitching. A lot of meat for the OL. & a RB from Arkansas. Of course I don't watch college football, so I don't know the particulars of any of these guys, except I've heard a name or two in passing.

So.... you're getting a little slack on your QB. What if we took that Arkansas TE instead, then come back & get Coker say in the third, giving up our 6th, 7th and next year's 5th or something like that?

We get a much more dynamic TE & still get your QB.

Because in my mind I believe Coker will be long gone in the third. Furthermore, in my mind, I don't expect Coker to be there when the Texans pick in RD2.

 

[thunderkyss]

Because in my mind I believe Coker will be long gone in the third. Furthermore, in my mind, I don't expect Coker to be there when the Texans pick in RD2.

Right... I understand. I was just saying what if... rhetorical really, of course you'd be pleased if we got the same guy much later.

 

[Insideop]

I'd love it. QB in the first... bitches can stop bitching. A lot of meat for the OL. & a RB from Arkansas. Of course I don't watch college football, so I don't know the particulars of any of these guys, except I've heard a name or two in passing.

So.... you're getting a little slack on your QB. What if we took that Arkansas TE instead, then come back & get Coker say in the third, giving up our 6th, 7th and next year's 5th or something like that?

We get a much more dynamic TE & still get your QB.

TK, the Texans don't have a 6th or 7th round pick this year. They do have 2 in the 5th round. That's why trading up this year may be a little tough without some of the extra picks they've had in recent drafts. The extra picks last year came from compensatory picks from losing players the previous season to Free Agency. They probably won't get any this year since they pretty much evened out with the gains/losses in FA.

 

[infantrycak]

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TK, the Texans don't have a 6th or 7th round pick this year. They do have 2 in the 5th round. That's why trading up this year may be a little tough without some of the extra picks they've had in recent drafts. The extra picks last year came from compensatory picks from losing players the previous season to Free Agency. They probably won't get any this year since they pretty much evened out with the gains/losses in FA.

The extra 5th is probably worth a 6th and 7th.

 

[Texian]

2) Texian has an eye for talent. But he makes up his mind first, and only then does he decide which facts to bring to the argument. If the facts don't back his opinion they are irrelevant. He won't even address them. He'll just pretend that they don't exist. Only the facts that support his opinion will ever be brought up or discussed.

Shishkabob, let me give you a view from the other side of the fence. I make up my mind about a prospect only after watching multiple games of each perspective player. If you follow my posting history you will find that I normally follow 4-5 potential candidates and I post their weekly games, how to watch and their performances each week. I try to remain objective without bias in my evaluations. I don't fall in love with a player. For me this is the only way to find the best QB. That is my goal.

Also you will find that I normally come to the table late with my QB evaluations. Much more so than most who post here. This year was different only because I spent several hours last summer watching Carson Wentz games and came away impressed with how well he was prepared. I had not seen any QB that was advanced as Wentz with all the QB tools. I've started many years with pre-seasons favorites such as E. J. Manuel, David Fales, Shane Carden and Trevone Boykin only to change my mind as the season progressed. Some posters here enjoy reminding me of some of those posts.

I think you will find little disagreement here that I became this message board's biggest advocate for Blake Bortles two years ago, many here like to remind me of such. The record will show that I didn't even begin to discuss Bortles until November and make up my mind until December. I think you find that I do try to be objective, most here had been locked in on their choice before the college season had even started.

In the case of Jared Goff I commented about the time of the middle of his schedule when he had 5 upcoming games against respectable opponents, lets see how well he performs. I expected him to perform better than he did. For what I was expecting, Goff disappointed. When pressured he panicked and his performance suffered noticeably. His INTs went up considerably. I noted there were no 4th quarter comebacks or game winnings drives in his resume. The facts are clear that 3rd year Juniors have fared very poorly and have a bad track record in the NFL. I suggested he return to college that was met with much disagreement. In this case I'll stick with what I saw and what the actual facts suggest.

In the case of Jake Coker I think you find the records show I did not even mention him until the middle of November. I said I thought he could be a diamond in the rough. I said after watching the Ole Miss and Tenn games he had caught my eye, I started a Coker thread and I put him on the watch list. I suggest let's see what he does in the Iron Bowl, SEC Championship and the playoffs. He did not disappoint. Many have pointed out that he's inexperienced and that is true in actual games started and played. Will that effect is first year or two in the NFL? It could. It also suggest that he will be much better than he is now with more experience. Will that effect his NFL years 3 thru 15? It will not. It wasn't until January, this week, that I suggested Jake Coker as the Texans first RD pick. And that's because the reality of the situation is I expect Carson Wentz to be long gone by the time the Texans pick and I think an Atlanta Falcons type trade to move up to draft Julio Jones often proves to be disastrous. In a fantasy world Carson Wentz would be my ideal choice for Texans first pick.

 

[Shishkabob]

Shishkabob, let me give you a view from the other side of the fence. I make up my mind about a prospect only after watching multiple games of each perspective player. If you follow my posting history you will find that I normally follow 4-5 potential candidates and I post their weekly games, how to watch and their performances each week. I try to remain objective without bias in my evaluations. I don't fall in love with a player. For me this is the only way to find the best QB. That is my goal.

Also you will find that I normally come to the table late with my QB evaluations. Much more so than most who post here. This year was different only because I spent several hours last summer watching Carson Wentz games and came away impressed with how well he was prepared. I had not seen any QB that was advanced as Wentz with all the QB tools. I've started many years with pre-seasons favorites such as E. J. Manuel, David Fales, Shane Carden and Trevone Boykin only to change my mind as the season progressed. Some posters here enjoy reminding me of some of those posts.

I think you will find little disagreement here that I became this message board's biggest advocate for Blake Bortles two years ago, many here like to remind me of such. The record will show that I didn't even begin to discuss Bortles until November and make up my mind until December. I think you find that I do try to be objective, most here had been locked in on their choice before the college season had even started.

In the case of Jared Goff I commented about the time of the middle of his schedule when he had 5 games against respectable opponents, lets see how well he performs. I expected him to perform better than he did. For what I was expecting, Goff disappointed. When pressured he panicked and his performance suffered noticeably. His INTs went up considerably. I noted there were no 4th quarter comebacks or game winnings drives in his resume. The facts are clear that 3rd year Juniors have fared very poorly and have a bad track record in the NFL. I suggested he return to college that was met with much disagreement. In this case I'll stick with what I saw and what the actual facts suggest.

In the case of Jake Coker I think you find the records show I did not even mention him until the middle of November. I said I thought he could be a diamond in the rough. I said after watching the Ole Miss and Tenn games he had caught my eye, I started a Coker thread and I put him on the watch list. I suggest let's see what he does in the Iron Bowl, SEC Championship and the playoffs. He did not disappoint. Many have pointed out that he's inexperienced and that is true in actual games started and played. Will that effect is first year or two in the NFL? It could. It also suggest that he will be much better than he is now with more experience. Will that effect his NFL years 3 thru 15? It will not. It wasn't until January, this week, that I suggested Jake Coker as the Texans first RD pick. And that's because the reality of the situation is I expect Carson Wentz to be long gone by the time the Texans pick and I think an Atlanta Falcons type trade to move up to draft Julio Jones often proves to be disastrous. In a fantasy world Carson Wentz would be my ideal choice for Texans first pick.

I like your evaluations for the most part I really do you know your stuff, I can tell you study the game and know what you are talking about. I just disagree on somethings, other things i agree on. I would love for us to draft Wentz, but like you i think he will be gone, however if he is there at around pick 15 i think it might be worth it to try to move up. I like Coker i would be happy with him to, but i just think he is a project, as do you from this most recent post. As such i do not believe you take a project in round 1. I dont think Coker will go round 1 do to his inexperience thats just my opinion.

Also if you know where to find any more game film on Coker that would be awesome. Only thing online is the Wisconsin game and i would like to do more research

 

[Texian]

Also if you know where to find any more game film on Coker that would be awesome. Only thing online is the Wisconsin game and i would like to do more research

Ole Miss vs Bama =

Tennessee vs Bama =

Iron Bowl =

SEC Championship =

Cotton Bowl =

I agree w/ about about #15 but think a Top 5 is a bridge to far.

 

[steelbtexan]

I like your evaluations for the most part I really do you know your stuff, I can tell you study the game and know what you are talking about. I just disagree on somethings, other things i agree on. I would love for us to draft Wentz, but like you i think he will be gone, however if he is there at around pick 15 i think it might be worth it to try to move up. I like Coker i would be happy with him to, but i just think he is a project, as do you from this most recent post. As such i do not believe you take a project in round 1. I dont think Coker will go round 1 do to his inexperience thats just my opinion.

Also if you know where to find any more game film on Coker that would be awesome. Only thing online is the Wisconsin game and i would like to do more research

All Rookie QB's are projects. The question is does Coker have the ability to be a franchise QB?

Does he have the ability to be a franchise QB? 1. Arm strength, check 2. Accuracy, Good enough but could stand to get better 3. Abilty to read defenses, check although he does need to speed up his processing of defense 4. Inteligence, in learning defenses check. 5. Work ethic, Check, Coker's work ethic is undeniable.

 

[Texian]

All Rookie QB's are projects. The question is does Coker have the ability to be a franchise QB?

Does he have the ability to be a franchise QB? 1. Arm strength, check 2. Accuracy, Good enough but could stand to get better 3. Abilty to read defenses, check although he does need to speed up his processing of defense 4. Inteligence, in learning defenses check. 5. Work ethic, Check, Coker's work ethic is undeniable.

Couldn't agree more SB, almost every QB has a 2 year learning curve, as do WR, DL, OL and DBs. My point is Coker is a head of many after being coached by Fisher and Saban for 5 years and will only get better with more actual playing experience. I wouldn't be surprised if Coker turns out to be a better NFL QB than Winston. By the time Coker is a 3rd year pro his college playing inexperience will be a moot point.

 

[steelbtexan]

TK, the Texans don't have a 6th or 7th round pick this year. They do have 2 in the 5th round. That's why trading up this year may be a little tough without some of the extra picks they've had in recent drafts. The extra picks last year came from compensatory picks from losing players the previous season to Free Agency. They probably won't get any this year since they pretty much evened out with the gains/losses in FA.

I thought they traded Keenum for a 7th

 

[steelbtexan]

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The extra 5th is probably worth a 6th and 7th.

Do you know where I can find something that tells me where the Texans will be picking in each rd?

 

[Texian]

Do you know where I can find something that tells me where the Texans will be picking in each rd?

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2016/

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't have a problem with Texian's talent assessment. & actually appreciate the heads up he gives us for who to watch & when (too much going on for me to follow college football otherwise).

 

[infantrycak]

Do you know where I can find something that tells me where the Texans will be picking in each rd?

I have to find one of the sites like Texian listed and then go to the draft page at Pro Football Reference and they have the value chart. Which incidentally people like to say is out of date but I check trades are made each year and it is clearly still being used as a guideline.

 

[Texian]

Coker finished with the fourth-highest completion percentage in school history (66.9 percent) and threw for 3,110 yards with 21 touchdowns and only eight interceptions.

His quarterback rating (147.0) is the eighth-best an Alabama quarterback has posted since Mike Shula in 1985.

In 11 games following the end of September, Coker completed 72 percent of his passes and threw for 2,324 yards with 13 touchdowns and just four interceptions.

In Alabama's two Playoff games, Coker was 41 of 55 for 621 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions.

Facing a Michigan State defense that finished the year ranked 26th nationally and a Clemson 'D' that ended up ranked 10th, Coker posted a combined quarterback rating of 193.4.

To put that in perspective, Oregon's Vernon Adams led the nation with a quarterback rating of 179.1.

AJ McCarron's quarterback rating was 175.3 when he threw 30 touchdowns with just three interceptions as a junior with Alabama in 2012.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/01/comparing_emerging_nfl_prospec.html

 

[Texian]

RD 1. Jake Coker, QB, BAMA - Why? Because Carson Wentz will be long gone. Don't be surprised if Coker turns out to be best QB in this draft.

RD 2. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana - Why? Because Duane Brown has less than 50% chance to successfully return from his type of injury.

RD 3. Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford - Why? Because Texan OL is a weak link and needs to get better, run blocking, get stronger.

RD 4. Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas -Why? Arian Foster suffered an Achilles injury.

RD 5. Halapoulivaati Vaitai, OT, TCU - Why? Because Derek Newton didn't play very well.

What I think is likely to happen, the Texans will put together an expensive package (ala Nix) to trade up in RD 1 to draft Christian Hackenberg.

After the Senior Bowl I am removing Coker from RD1 because I rate him as a RD 3 pick now, removing Spriggs from RD2 because now IMHO he will be long gone by the time the Texans pick in RD 2, removing Garnett from RD 3 because IMHO he will be gone in RD 2 before the Texans pick, Jonathan Williams because of injury could be a UDFA....to be continued....most likely after the Combine.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

After the Senior Bowl I am removing Coker from RD1 because I rate him as a RD 3 pick now, removing Spriggs from RD2 because now IMHO he will be long gone by the time the Texans pick in RD 2, removing Garnett from RD 3 because IMHO he will be gone in RD 2 before the Texans pick, Jonathan Williams because of injury could be a UDFA....to be continued....most likely after the Combine.

If Texans drafted Spriggs in rd 1 than Garnett in round 2, I'd be very pleased

 

[JB]

If Texans drafted Spriggs in rd 1 than Garnett in round 2, I'd be very pleased

I wouldn't. Yes we need OL help, but if we don't have a QB or RB, how much good can the OL do for us? I wouldn't be terribly upset with Spriggs in the first IF the big 3 are gone, but we better have a plan in case they are... some better plan than "tough guy" the destroyer (of your hopes and dreams).

 

[Texian]

If Texans drafted Spriggs in rd 1 than Garnett in round 2, I'd be very pleased

In my mind, this is a top heavy DT draft and sticking with my BPA philosophy that may be the way to go for me. I'm just not sure which one yet. Also IMHO there are only are two 1st RD QBs in this draft and I still have my reservations about Goff (against the better teams and defenses he struggled). I honestly think that a team (Dallas) will trade up to #1 with TENN to draft Wentz. Wentz stock is only going higher. Therefore outside of those two, another QB in RD 1 IMO is a long shot for me. Like betting on a horse with 50 to 1 odds. Unfortunately that's like betting on potential (see Okoye) and like last year, the Texans will be left high and dry when it comes to drafting a QB. They already have one long shot in the stable with Savage. When the tough got going Savage ran, the other way, not once but twice, so he was not even on my draft board. My hunch based on familiarity breeds familiarity, that points to O'Brien taking Hackenberg with the Texans first RD draft pick.

 

[beerlover]

In my mind, this is a top heavy DT draft and sticking with my BPA philosophy that may be the way to go for me. I'm just not sure which one yet. Also IMHO there are only are two 1st RD QBs in this draft and I still have my reservations about Goff (against the better teams and defenses he struggled). I honestly think that a team (Dallas) will trade up to #1 with TENN to draft Wentz. Wentz stock is only going higher. Therefore outside of those two, another QB in RD 1 IMO is a long shot for me. Like betting on a horse with 50 to 1 odds. Unfortunately that's like betting on potential (see Okoye) and like last year, the Texans will be left high and dry when it comes to drafting a QB. They already have one long shot in the stable with Savage. When the tough got going Savage ran, the other way, not once but twice, so he was not even on my draft board. My hunch based on familiarity breeds familiarity, that points to O'Brien taking Hackenberg with the Texans first RD draft pick.

 

[Insideop]

In my mind, this is a top heavy DT draft and sticking with my BPA philosophy that may be the way to go for me. I'm just not sure which one yet. Also IMHO there are only are two 1st RD QBs in this draft and I still have my reservations about Goff (against the better teams and defenses he struggled). I honestly think that a team (Dallas) will trade up to #1 with TENN to draft Wentz. Wentz stock is only going higher. Therefore outside of those two, another QB in RD 1 IMO is a long shot for me. Like betting on a horse with 50 to 1 odds. Unfortunately that's like betting on potential (see Okoye) and like last year, the Texans will be left high and dry when it comes to drafting a QB. They already have one long shot in the stable with Savage. When the tough got going Savage ran, the other way, not once but twice, so he was not even on my draft board. My hunch based on familiarity breeds familiarity, that points to O'Brien taking Hackenberg with the Texans first RD draft pick.

This is the scenario that, unfortunately, keeps playing out in my mind and I don't like it! If that's "our lot" I just hope BOB can revive Hack and make a decent QB out of him. Would be better if he sat on the bench the 1st year but I don't think that will happen.

 

[JB]

This is the scenario that, unfortunately, keeps playing out in my mind and I don't like it! If that's "our lot" I just hope BOB can revive Hack and make a decent QB out of him. Would be better if he sat on the bench the 1st year but I don't think that will happen.

If it happens, there will be an open competition between Hack, Savage and Hoyer. Decided by closed practices. I like that even less

 

[steelbtexan]

Coker's Senior Bowl performance was the most disappointing thing of the week. I also cant believe Drake was so poor in blocking drills. It's like he had ever done those drills in his life. Drake didn't look bad at all in pass pro during the games I saw last yr

 

[badboy]

I wouldn't. Yes we need OL help, but if we don't have a QB or RB, how much good can the OL do for us? I wouldn't be terribly upset with Spriggs in the first IF the big 3 are gone, but we better have a plan in case they are... some better plan than "tough guy" the destroyer (of your hopes and dreams).

Drafting Spriggs in first does not mean no QB or RB therefore a OL can do a lot. What I am looking at for now: 1) Spriggs (50-50 no Brown) 2) Nose Butler 3) RB Drake not beat up as he played behind Heisman Henry. He is good runner and a very good receiver. 4) Coker we do have two fives to use to trade up here or for Butler in round two if needed.

 

[JB]

Drafting Spriggs in first does not mean no QB or RB therefore a OL can do a lot. What I am looking at for now: 1) Spriggs (50-50 no Brown) 2) Nose Butler 3) RB Drake not beat up as he played behind Heisman Henry. He is good runner and a very good receiver. 4) Coker we do have two fives to use to trade up here or for Butler in round two if needed.

I can agree with this to a point. I was responding to back to back OL picks in the first two rounds while ignoring other needs. I think Butler could go late in rd 1 or top of rd 2 and am not a fan of giving up 2 5's to move up and it wouldn't get us high enough to land Butler imo. Is Drake a 3 down back or more of a 3rd down back? I don't have any problem with Spriggs in rnd 1 if other options are gone. We have too many holes for back to back OL in first two rnds.

 

[Marshall]

I can agree with this to a point. I was responding to back to back OL picks in the first two rounds while ignoring other needs. I think Butler could go late in rd 1 or top of rd 2 and am not a fan of giving up 2 5's to move up and it wouldn't get us high enough to land Butler imo. Is Drake a 3 down back or more of a 3rd down back? I don't have any problem with Spriggs in rnd 1 if other options are gone. We have too many holes for back to back OL in first two rnds.

I really think inside knowledge of how our injured/ill OL players are recovering plays a huge role in the priority OL will have. We COULD have a significant improvement without doing anything OR a HUGE need at the most fundamental area on the team.

 

[badboy]

I can agree with this to a point. I was responding to back to back OL picks in the first two rounds while ignoring other needs. I think Butler could go late in rd 1 or top of rd 2 and am not a fan of giving up 2 5's to move up and it wouldn't get us high enough to land Butler imo. Is Drake a 3 down back or more of a 3rd down back? I don't have any problem with Spriggs in rnd 1 if other options are gone. We have too many holes for back to back OL in first two rnds.

Understand your view; Josh Docston WR has been my first round choice for long time but with Doc's opinion on D.Brown, I had to go LT. I previously had Drango in second but IIRC I have found only one person (and it was this MB) that agrees that Drango can handle LT. I also had Kyle Murphy round 3 but again most say he'd have to go inside. More importantly to me is would Murphy be there at 85; with Brown an unknown at not only a prime position but with a fragile QB (either injury history or a rookie) we have to do something to shore that spot.

Drake with skills to catch and run is definitely a three down back and should be a "perfect back". Now I will confuse by saying my first choice for this position was ALex Collins Arkansas who did not start until this last season and split snaps with Johnathan Williams who had 1200 in 2014 in a pro offense. Collins is a 2nd round though and will prob be my guy if Butler is gone. Collins also has three years in row of over 1000 yds; only McFadden and a guy named Herschel Walker.


To address Butler, as of now I have four Nose Tackles that should be drafted before Butler so for now I am sticking with him @ 52. If I knew Ridgeway was not going to climb like a bottle rocket at Independence Day, I would be okay with him. He is getting no love by CBS but others have him as high as round 4.

I could go with OT and OG in top two rounds but would then aim at RB and QB 3rd and 4th (either order). I do think X and Brooks will be our starters and Aboushi is okay as a backup so not as focused on that spot.

If we can get certain guys at LT, QB and RB that can be starters no later than 2017, it will be a good draft. I would like a NT and a WR but we should get depth in free agency.

 

[badboy]

I really think inside knowledge of how our injured/ill OL players are recovering plays a huge role in the priority OL will have. We COULD have a significant improvement without doing anything OR a HUGE need at the most fundamental area on the team.

yes and how we approach free agency concerning OL will be interesting.