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Watson and Carl Smith must find a way to link up, ASAP!

Mangler

Mangler

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I know the CBA restricts players and coaches to talk football, game plan, or do anything that has to do with practice, but I’m sure there’s some kind of way for the two to link up and get to work. Now, I’m well aware that kind of info may never leak out, but I’d be beyond excited to read or hear reports that Watson, Smith, and the receivers are putting in work at Rice (The usual offseason spot) during the offseason.

I just feel Watson needs some polishing, and Carl Smith might be the one guy he needed all along to take that next step. Carl’s most recent work/results (Russell Wilson) lead me to believe we’re in for a treat.

O’Brien’s vintage slow starts are beyond frustrating, and if the Texans want to compete with the big boys they need to start finding ways to get to work early on to get on the same page.
 
Mangler said:
I know the CBA restricts players and coaches to talk football, game plan, or do anything that has to do with practice, but I’m sure there’s some kind of way for the two to link up and get to work. Now, I’m well aware that kind of info may never leak out, but I’d be beyond excited to read or hear reports that Watson, Smith, and the receivers are putting in work at Rice (The usual offseason spot) during the offseason.

I just feel Watson needs some polishing, and Carl Smith might be the one guy he needed all along to take that next step. Carl’s most recent work/results (Russell Wilson) lead me to believe we’re in for a treat.

O’Brien’s vintage slow starts are beyond frustrating, and if the Texans want to compete with the big boys they need to start finding ways to get to work early on to get on the same page.
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OB will never have anyone come in that's outside his coaching tree.
 
Whatever happens, it's going to be interesting to follow Watson's progress under Smith's tutelage. If they had an imaginative coach like Pete Carroll behind them, SB might be possible.
 
Seegara said:
Whatever happens, it's going to be interesting to follow Watson's progress under Smith's tutelage. If they had an imaginative coach like Pete Carroll behind them, SB might be possible.
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I agree. Maybe (although I know it’s a stretch) Carl Smith May suggest to incorporate some of his own ideas into their game plans once he learns the things Watson excels in schemewise. Maybe a little twist if WCO, or some sort of quick pass to get things going instead of hanging on to those long developing plays?
 
Mangler said:
I know the CBA restricts players and coaches to talk football, game plan, or do anything that has to do with practice, but I’m sure there’s some kind of way for the two to link up and get to work. Now, I’m well aware that kind of info may never leak out, but I’d be beyond excited to read or hear reports that Watson, Smith, and the receivers are putting in work at Rice (The usual offseason spot) during the offseason.

I just feel Watson needs some polishing, and Carl Smith might be the one guy he needed all along to take that next step. Carl’s most recent work/results (Russell Wilson) lead me to believe we’re in for a treat.

O’Brien’s vintage slow starts are beyond frustrating, and if the Texans want to compete with the big boys they need to start finding ways to get to work early on to get on the same page.
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Calm down there's plenty of time.
 
Mangler said:
I know the CBA restricts players and coaches to talk football, game plan, or do anything that has to do with practice, but I’m sure there’s some kind of way for the two to link up and get to work. Now, I’m well aware that kind of info may never leak out, but I’d be beyond excited to read or hear reports that Watson, Smith, and the receivers are putting in work at Rice (The usual offseason spot) during the offseason.

I just feel Watson needs some polishing, and Carl Smith might be the one guy he needed all along to take that next step. Carl’s most recent work/results (Russell Wilson) lead me to believe we’re in for a treat.

O’Brien’s vintage slow starts are beyond frustrating, and if the Texans want to compete with the big boys they need to start finding ways to get to work early on to get on the same page.
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Non of this is going to amount to a hill of beans
 
Mangler said:
I agree. Maybe (although I know it’s a stretch) Carl Smith May suggest to incorporate some of his own ideas into their game plans once he learns the things Watson excels in schemewise. Maybe a little twist if WCO, or some sort of quick pass to get things going instead of hanging on to those long developing plays?
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Hopefully Obrien realizes that something has to change. His "tree" is barren.

We can only hope that his ego doesn't get in Smith's way.

Maybe Smith can convince Watson that settling for first downs is a good thing?

I know....asking for a lot.

:coffee:
 
Shishkabob said:
Carl Smith, Sean Ryan, Brad Seely, John Pagano, Anthony Weaver, Mike Devlin, our whole S/C staff besides the newly hired Cushing

Like maybe do 5 seconds of research before posting a false claim
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All minor coaches (Devlin is not OB's) when the comment was clearly meant about a big role like OC or QBs.

S&C aren't OB"s and don't go on trees.
 
infantrycak said:
All minor coaches (Devlin is not OB's) when the comment was clearly meant about a big role like OC or QBs.
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the comment was OB would never hire anyone from outside of his tree, but let me entertain your cherry picking effort of "big role like OC or QBs". 2 of the 3 QB coaches O'Brien has hired are not from his coaching tree, Sean Ryan and Carl Smith.
 
Shishkabob said:
the comment was OB would never hire anyone from outside of his tree, but let me entertain your cherry picking effort of "big role like OC or QBs". 2 of the 3 QB coaches O'Brien has hired are not from his coaching tree, Sean Ryan and Carl Smith.
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Ryan was hired as a WR coach. So yay you got Smith.

Yes the original comment was blanket but the context was clear. Did OB even interview anyone else, like someone qualified, for OC?
 
infantrycak said:
Ryan was hired as a WR coach. So yay you got Smith.

Yes the original comment was blanket but the context was clear. Did OB even interview anyone else, like someone qualified, for OC?
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Ryan was an NFL coach for 9 years before he came to the Texans and spent 1 season as a WR coach, that isn't hiring from your own tree

There was no context, only him coming into a thread talking about Carl Smith saying O'Brien would never hire anyone from outside his coaching tree, that statement was false and made even more ridiculous that it was put in a thread about a guy who was hired from outside of O'Brien's tree

Also what constitutes as qualified? I'm sure the people inside NRG feel Tim Kelly is qualified to be an OC, doesn't really matter what us armchair GMs think is qualified or not. Was Sean McVay qualified to become an OC? After all he was just an offensive assistant for a couple years, then a TE coach for another couple before becoming an OC. But I rather take a former player like Cecil Shorts' words for it, than someone who probably can't even pick Kelly out of a lineup on if he is qualified or not.
 
It's all whistling past the graveyard. None of it matters because OB sucks as an OC and he retained his Oline coach who seems hellbent on taking diamonds and refining them until they become a lump of coal. This team is going nowhere fast until OB is either fired or relinquishes control of the offense. And it would help if they get a decent OL coach.
 
Speedy said:
No shit.
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Wrong!!!!

I just recognized what the Texans org was all about. I didn't/dont hate these men personally. I did hate that their incompetence lead to 15 yrs of basically watching a mediocre at best on the the field product that these men continually put out there for the fans.

Hopefully That has changed with Cal/Gaine running the team.
 
steelbtexan said:
Wrong!!!!

I just recognized what the Texans org was all about. I didn't/dont hate these men personally. I did hate that their incompetence lead to 15 yrs of basically watching a mediocre at best on the the field product that these men continually put out there for the fans.

Hopefully That has changed with Cal/Gaine running the team.
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All while ignoring the incompetence and mediocrity of Bill O'Brien, defending him like he's your baby brother. But whatever.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not defending him at all.

I'm just looking forward to see what he can do with a GM that shares his vision. I thought they did well considering the obstacles they faced in last yrs draft. You dont?
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Did I see any improvement over the previous 4 years? No I didn't. And that's with a supposed super stud QB.

And Gaine getting on the same page as OB is a scary proposition considering OBs talent evaluation record the past 5 years.

And OBs 5 year record is what I'm basing my skepticism on. Until he proves otherwise, how ever long that takes, I don't trust the process with OB involved. Gaine can grab all the talent you want, if OB doesn't start finding a way to put that talent to use, I have no confidence they'll be anything more than they are now. Mediocre with a little luck here and there to win a division.

I know last year's records don't mean much next year, but next year's schedule will be much more of a challenge than last year's was. As easily as they went 11-5 last year, I can easily see 5-11 next year. And that's solely based on my faith, or lack thereof, of 5 years of OB. Hope I'm wrong, but based on the facts......
 
Speedy said:
Did I see any improvement over the previous 4 years? No I didn't. And that's with a supposed super stud QB.

And Gaine getting on the same page as OB is a scary proposition considering OBs talent evaluation record the past 5 years.

And OBs 5 year record is what I'm basing my skepticism on. Until he proves otherwise, how ever long that takes, I don't trust the process with OB involved. Gaine can grab all the talent you want, if OB doesn't start finding a way to put that talent to use, I have no confidence they'll be anything more than they are now. Mediocre with a little luck here and there to win a division.

I know last year's records don't mean much next year, but next year's schedule will be much more of a challenge than last year's was. As easily as they went 11-5 last year, I can easily see 5-11 next year. And that's solely based on my faith, or lack thereof, of 5 years of OB. Hope I'm wrong, but based on the facts......
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We disagree on the source of the problems.

There wasn't enough draft capital to fix the OL last year. There is enough this year and that is why I am optimistic about the future. Even if the record isn't as good as it was last year the young guys will be getting experience. I've always said it would take 3 years to clean up the mess Gaine was left with.
 
Speedy said:
And Gaine getting on the same page as OB is a scary proposition considering OBs talent evaluation record the past 5 years.
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What really gets me, is that BO'b was brought in as the guy who would get on the same page as McNair & Rick.

But you're right. There is plenty of evidence that BO'b has serious talent evaluation problems as well. For starters, there was a guy "everybody" thought would make a decent Guard in the NFL even though he played LT at a high level in college. BO'b penciled him in as our LT of the future. He felt so good about it, he even threw the rookie in at LT week 1, even though he missed all of training camp.

BO'b had no idea his primary back up for the previous two years would do a better job at RT than this kid who missed all of training camp would at LT.He had no clue.

& obviously BO'b & Gaine don't talk about player performance or evaluate our team at least I hope they don't because that would mean Gaine was thinking along the same lines. Or BO'b doesn't listen to him, but they're supposed to be on the same page.

Either way, we're screwed.
 
thunderkyss said:
What really gets me, is that BO'b was brought in as the guy who would get on the same page as McNair & Rick.

But you're right. There is plenty of evidence that BO'b has serious talent evaluation problems as well. For starters, there was a guy "everybody" thought would make a decent Guard in the NFL even though he played LT at a high level in college. BO'b penciled him in as our LT of the future. He felt so good about it, he even threw the rookie in at LT week 1, even though he missed all of training camp.

BO'b had no idea his primary back up for the previous two years would do a better job at RT than this kid who missed all of training camp would at LT.He had no clue.

& obviously BO'b & Gaine don't talk about player performance or evaluate our team at least I hope they don't because that would mean Gaine was thinking along the same lines. Or BO'b doesn't listen to him, but they're supposed to be on the same page.

Either way, we're screwed.
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All that said, with some merit ofcourse, it sounds like rick plays no part in your mind?
 
powda said:
All that said, with some merit ofcourse, it sounds like rick plays no part in your mind?
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For what I spoke to? No.

Rick wasn't perfect. But the issue of BO'bs talent evaluation has nothing to do with Rick.
 
thunderkyss said:
For what I spoke to? No.

Rick wasn't perfect. But the issue of BO'bs talent evaluation has nothing to do with Rick.
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Hard to decipher who's responsible for what. Rick is thankfully out of the equation. Next up is OB. When/if that continues to fail he'll be jettisoned. Then its Gain's turn.

Rinse and repeat.
 
thunderkyss said:
For what I spoke to? No.

Rick wasn't perfect. But the issue of BO'bs talent evaluation has nothing to do with Rick.
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How do you separate? OB lists players he likes and in what order, Rick and scouts rank them to set big board. It's not a one man decision. It's an organizational thing. If You think X>Y and I think X<Z or Y, we will never have harmony. So FK you (just figuratively) and someone will be gone because A is the boss
 
JB said:
How do you separate? OB lists players he likes and in what order, Rick and scouts rank them to set big board. It's not a one man decision. It's an organizational thing. If You think X>Y and I think X<Z or Y, we will never have harmony. So FK you (just figuratively) and someone will be gone because A is the boss
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I think we got off on a tangent somewhere. The post Powda referenced I was talking about the decisions BO'b made in 2018 which Rick did not (could not) influence.

thunderkyss said:
There is plenty of evidence that BO'b has serious talent evaluation problems as well. For starters, there was a guy "everybody" thought would make a decent Guard in the NFL even though he played LT at a high level in college. BO'b penciled him in as our LT of the future. He felt so good about it, he even threw the rookie in at LT week 1, even though he missed all of training camp.

BO'b had no idea his primary back up for the previous two years would do a better job at RT than this kid who missed all of training camp would at LT.He had no clue.
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thunderkyss said:
What really gets me, is that BO'b was brought in as the guy who would get on the same page as McNair & Rick.

But you're right. There is plenty of evidence that BO'b has serious talent evaluation problems as well. For starters, there was a guy "everybody" thought would make a decent Guard in the NFL even though he played LT at a high level in college. BO'b penciled him in as our LT of the future. He felt so good about it, he even threw the rookie in at LT week 1, even though he missed all of training camp.

BO'b had no idea his primary back up for the previous two years would do a better job at RT than this kid who missed all of training camp would at LT.He had no clue.

& obviously BO'b & Gaine don't talk about player performance or evaluate our team at least I hope they don't because that would mean Gaine was thinking along the same lines. Or BO'b doesn't listen to him, but they're supposed to be on the same page.

Either way, we're screwed.
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It's news to me that BOB was in charge of talent evaluation for the last 5 yrs.

I've alreay told you why they chose to play Rankin at LT and Davenport at RT. No need to beat around that bush again.
 
JB said:
How do you separate? OB lists players he likes and in what order, Rick and scouts rank them to set big board. It's not a one man decision. It's an organizational thing. If You think X>Y and I think X<Z or Y, we will never have harmony. So FK you (just figuratively) and someone will be gone because A is the boss
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If you're on the board and make too many bad decisions you will be gone in short order. Unless you're the Houston Texans org.
 
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powda said:
Hard to decipher who's responsible for what. Rick is thankfully out of the equation. Next up is OB. When/if that continues to fail he'll be jettisoned. Then its Gain's turn.

Rinse and repeat.
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Qouted

For truth
 
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Shishkabob said:
Except Smith has a lot longer track record of success in his career
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LMAO

Tell me how happy happy have you been with the mediocrity thru 2 regimes over the last decade. If you enjoyed it then your post would be correct for you.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've alreay told you why they chose to play Rankin at LT and Davenport at RT. No need to beat around that bush again.
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You told me why you think they did it. You who doesn't have the privilege of actually watching them practice the week leading up to the game.

They found out in 30 minutes it was such a bad idea, they did not do it again when they found themselves in the exact same situation a few games later. They found out in those 30 minutes what you already knew.

You would not give Kubiak a pass if he made a similar gaff, I don't understand why BO'b gets so much leniency.
 
thunderkyss said:
You told me why you think they did it. You who doesn't have the privilege of actually watching them practice the week leading up to the game.

They found out in 30 minutes it was such a bad idea, they did not do it again when they found themselves in the exact same situation a few games later. They found out in those 30 minutes what you already knew.

You would not give Kubiak a pass if he made a similar gaff, I don't understand why BO'b gets so much leniency.
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#Rihanna Thanks for teaching me about the hashtag BS.
 
Any news on Watson and receivers getting together for some practice? I know Tom Brady and Edelman practically love together and always practice, even wear pads. Would be nice to have that type of work ethic down at Kirby.
 
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Mangler said:
Any news on Watson and receivers getting together for some practice? I know Tom Brady and Edelman practically love together and always practice, even wear pads. Would be nice to have that type of work ethic down at Kirby.
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Idk about him getting together with receivers yet, normally this is a time where players refine their skills. Watson has been posting pictures almost daily of him working with a QB coach. He and the receivers will probably get together later I the off season to work together. From what I have heard him and Nuk are together a lot
 
Shishkabob said:
Idk about him getting together with receivers yet, normally this is a time where players refine their skills. Watson has been posting pictures almost daily of him working with a QB coach. He and the receivers will probably get together later I the off season to work together. From what I have heard him and Nuk are together a lot
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I just saw the pictures. Looks like he’s doing passing drills at UCLA. Good stuff!
 
Was it McNair, OB or Smith that made the super smart decision to start Savage all off season and then mid way through game one bench him?

We can debate player aquisition all day (even though on hard knocks we clearly saw how OB Smith operated in at least two instances)...but OB has made a lot of obviously bad decisions outside of who is on the team and who isn’t. His playcalling and lineup decisions have been pretty bad.

And what I’m talking about with hard knocks is the scene where he and Smith were discussing Rolle vs. James III. They both gave their input and then there was a mutual decision made.

The other instance was OB’s love for Polk. Aka mr bang bang. OB liked that guy. Smith got him. OB has some warped image of Polk being good because he “ran all over our defense” the year prior.

And no sane person can really believe Smith forced Hoyer on OB.

Don’t even let me get started on his shitty playcalling.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Was it McNair, OB or Smith that made the super smart decision to start Savage all off season and then mid way through game one bench him?

We can debate player aquisition all day (even though on hard knocks we clearly saw how OB Smith operated in at least two instances)...but OB has made a lot of obviously bad decisions outside of who is on the team and who isn’t. His playcalling and lineup decisions have been pretty bad.

And what I’m talking about with hard knocks is the scene where he and Smith were discussing Rolle vs. James III. They both gave their input and then there was a mutual decision made.

The other instance was OB’s love for Polk. Aka mr bang bang. OB liked that guy. Smith got him. OB has some warped image of Polk being good because he “ran all over our defense” the year prior.

And no sane person can really believe Smith forced Hoyer on OB.

Don’t even let me get started on his shitty playcalling.
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Yet despite all of the things you listed the Texans had their best regular season in franchise after the former GM left and Cal hired a GM that was aligned with BOB and magically they had a very good draft despite being hamstrung by the former GM.

What a coincidence.
 
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