We have a backup quarterback being coached by a backup quarterback

[AndyWin]

Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

None of our 12 wins stand out at all. @ Denver while they were adjusting early on. Baltimore has proven to be not as good as advertised. Same with Chicago.
Schaub will NEVER be the leader this team needs in primetime and when games matter most. If this team gets down by 2+ scores, we're fuc*ed... All of our wins come from defensive forced turnovers and scores or Arian Foster playing very well to where any QB could come in with a playaction call.

Back to that list:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill

 

[coon]

Pump the brakes there buddy, I am all for upgrading Schaub but that list does not include Tannehill, Stafford, or Cutler.

 

[welsh texan]

We're in an era where there are some extremely good QB's around the league while only a few years ago we had the likes of Rex Grossman starting on good teams. That puts what you are saying into perspective somewhat.

I'd add Romo to the disagree list too, he tries to make plays when he's chasing and it hurts his team when it doesn't come off.

4 players come off your list, another 3 are rookies/second year, who's development can't be judged and suddenly you are putting Schaub in the top 10.

Even with the full crazy list you quote he's top half of the league.

Schaub is best as a game manager who can get the ball to a good set of receivers. Andre is back to his best but Walter has dropped off and there is a number of inexperienced guys at WR looking to take over the #2 role. We lost an excellent #2 TE and RZ threat in dreessen, half our Oline, it'll take time to adjust.

I'm all for looking to upgrade Schaub through the draft, even throwing fairly high draft picks at the position, but we couldn't afford Manning or Brees, I doubt we could even afford someone on Schaub's level without a bit of hometown discount.

This place has had a sky is falling mentality ever since free agency last year, I've not been able to post recently but I've been watching and its been crazy some of the **** thats being thrown about, the team has achieved everything that could have been expected of it over the regular season and they have a great chance in the playoffs.

Schaub has been a big part of that, but he's not on the level where he can throw the team on his back, when he plays well he can maximise the talent around him. So yeah, maybe he needs to play up to his own ability when the playoffs start but its too early to start slating him yet.

 

[Premier]

Pump the brakes there buddy, I am all for upgrading Schaub but that list does not include Tannehill, Stafford, or Cutler.

stafford has a rocket arm, big-play ability, and is a very tough qb ...he is an absolute upgrade over schaub in every way, shape, and form.. i get cutler, hes been in shannys system before, and is a bit of a whiny *****. the jury is still going to be out on tannehill. but no to stafford, really?? i would add cam & rivers to that list as well. the sooner you embrace the fact that the texans system creates good qbs you will realize that the qbs people think perform below average elsewhere, would thrive here..

 

[GP]

The title of the thread is something I have been saying a lot lately.

Our head coach was a career backup QB, who sat behind an all-world QB (Elway), holding a clipboard and eventually becoming a coach.

Now this guy has a career backup, Schaub, who is JUST like him...except now Gary gets to control Matt (a starter by Kubiak's standard) and IMO it's like the parent who lives vicariously through his son's talents.

When your HC and your QB are practically the SAME PERSON, you're screwed unless you were a great QB and your QB you're coaching is great too.

Unfortunately we have a HC who has hit his ceiling, and his QB has hit that same ceiling with him. The good news is that both of those guys got big new deals with the Texans, so we get to watch them play with one another for, oh, another 3 or 4 years. Fantastic!

 

[klockWork]

Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

None of our 12 wins stand out at all. @ Denver while they were adjusting early on. Baltimore has proven to be not as good as advertised. Same with Chicago.
Schaub will NEVER be the leader this team needs in primetime and when games matter most. If this team gets down by 2+ scores, we're fuc*ed... All of our wins come from defensive forced turnovers and scores or Arian Foster playing very well to where any QB could come in with a playaction call.

Back to that list:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill

Agreed. I would add Philip Rivers on that list. And definitely Romo. Those two in these system playing with AJ, Foster, Daniel is a salivating scenario.
I know people here will bury guys like that because they take too much risky throws. I love QB that take risks. Sure, they would throw more ints than Schaub. Sure, they will lose us games with those kind of throws. But I could still see someone like Rivers and Romo winning more games for us than a guy with a live-to-fight-another-day approach.

If you take away Brett Favre gun-slinging mentality and put in Matt Schaub safe mental-like approach there's no way Favre is a hall-of-famer. There's no way David Tyrese get that opportunity to make that spectacular catch in the Giants SB.

As a crew in this sinking ship I rather see my captain go down in his ship while fighting off his enemies.
Sadly with Schaub, he's fighting his enemies with one foot in a lifeboat.

-"The progress of civilization through out times are made by men who take risks."

John F. Kennedy
1968


14 months later we had men on the moon.

 

[Big Lou]

Can we merge all the "Shaub Sucks" threads?

Just an FYI our cap situation won't allow US to bring a big name in through trade or FA. Oh and let's remember where Shaub ranks compared to the last franchise QB we drafted. Great QB's aren't growing on trees, and anyone not named Brees, P. Manning, or Brady have serious flaws as well.

Its good to vent but let's do it with some perspective.

 

[Wolf]

Lou, it seems to be the season of griping about everything. I honestly think I saw less griping 3 years ago

Either that or I learned to take a couple of breaths ,count to 10 , and relax a bit

 

[Lucky]

-"The progress of civilization through out times are made by men who take risks."

John F. Kennedy


14 months later we had men on the moon.

There's something wrong with that timeline.

Schaub must play better than he did last week. That performance is unacceptable going forward. The past 5 AFC champs had a 1st round bye. This game is a must win for the Texans championship aspirations.

 

[GP]

Can we merge all the "Shaub Sucks" threads?

Just an FYI our cap situation won't allow US to bring a big name in through trade or FA. Oh and let's remember where Shaub ranks compared to the last franchise QB we drafted. Great QB's aren't growing on trees, and anyone not named Brees, P. Manning, or Brady have serious flaws as well.

Its good to vent but let's do it with some perspective.

I don't think most people have pipe dreams of getting some new dazzling QB.

Rather, people are waking up and realizing that Schaub is it. He's it. That's all. Few QBs in the NFL can overcome bad OL play, a lackluster run game, or WRs dropping passes. Matt has had games where he's encountered one, or more, or all of those circumstances. He can't overcome it.

I'm at peace with it. It's terminal. Nothing we can do about it.

I think what I'm seeing is most of the long-timers here, they've seen this team at all stages...they've been in on all the conversations going all the way back to 2002 and onward...they're knowledgable enough to see the writing on the wall, and they're speaking up.

There's less hatred and anger now than there was after the 2-14 season. There's less anger and hatred and vitriol here now than there was after the 2010 season. After Carr had his one year under Kubiak here.

No, there's nothing more here--right now--than sort of that gut feeling that this team is on borrowed time. What will happen in 2013 for this team? Who knows. The hunch is that they'll make a few good draft choices, they'll get Cushing back, and yet where does it all go once the playoffs draw near next season? Probably the same outcome. Or, the Colts pass us by.

Inevitably is not my fault. Not the fault of bad fans. It is what it is.

 

[EllisUnit]

Funny how fast everyone forgets Schaubs 2008 thru 2010 seasons. When we had one of the top passing teams in the league but no defense to back it up. Has schaub looked bad (as of late) hell yeah he has, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. What is he like 17-3 in his last 20 starts ? Give me a break

There's more to the story than it being just schaub who isn't playing well.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Unless your list includes more than 32 QBs, your thread title is invalid.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

We are getting close to an all encompassing Schaub thread.

 

[HJam72]

Unless your list includes more than 32 QBs, your thread title is invalid.

There you go. Finding somebody AVAILABLE that's better than Schaub is not a cakewalk. Maybe we draft somebody after next year. I hear this year's QBs are nothing to get excited about.

 

[Mr teX]

There you go. Finding somebody AVAILABLE that's better than Schaub is not a cakewalk. Maybe we draft somebody after next year. I hear this year's QBs are nothing to get excited about.

Its not even about someone available. i think most here know deep down there's noone out in FA that's worth a damn. the problem is People see whats going this year with RG3, luck and wilson and just think that its a sinch to go out and draft a franchise altering qb and that's so far from the case.

2 of those guys went 1..2 in the draft. The other guy had every team in the league pass on him twice before he was selected. Between luck/rg3 and wilson there were 3 other qb's taken that haven't shown much of any promise that they'll be franchise altering guys.

So Where this notion comes from that its so easy to land a franchise qb in the draft is beyond me.

 

[Big Lou]

I don't think most people have pipe dreams of getting some new dazzling QB.

Rather, people are waking up and realizing that Schaub is it. He's it. That's all. Few QBs in the NFL can overcome bad OL play, a lackluster run game, or WRs dropping passes. Matt has had games where he's encountered one, or more, or all of those circumstances. He can't overcome it.

I'm at peace with it. It's terminal. Nothing we can do about it.

I think what I'm seeing is most of the long-timers here, they've seen this team at all stages...they've been in on all the conversations going all the way back to 2002 and onward...they're knowledgable enough to see the writing on the wall, and they're speaking up.

There's less hatred and anger now than there was after the 2-14 season. There's less anger and hatred and vitriol here now than there was after the 2010 season. After Carr had his one year under Kubiak here.

No, there's nothing more here--right now--than sort of that gut feeling that this team is on borrowed time. What will happen in 2013 for this team? Who knows. The hunch is that they'll make a few good draft choices, they'll get Cushing back, and yet where does it all go once the playoffs draw near next season? Probably the same outcome. Or, the Colts pass us by.

Inevitably is not my fault. Not the fault of bad fans. It is what it is.

I agree.

Time to run what you brung....

Shaub is what he is but he does do some good, I think some folks are acting as if he is Gabbert or something. Shaub has his short comings for sure, but the OL and playcallling have been underwhelming as of late. We should have run somemscreens to slow down the Vikings DL. Kubiak is either holding back, or has lost his touch on offense.

 

[GP]

We are getting close to an all encompassing Schaub thread.

And we know what THAT means...

 

[mussop]

Its not even about someone available. i think most here know deep down there's noone out in FA that's worth a damn. the problem is People see whats going this year with RG3, luck and wilson and just think that its a sinch to go out and draft a franchise altering qb and that's so far from the case.

2 of those guys went 1..2 in the draft. The other guy had every team in the league pass on him twice before he was selected. Between luck/rg3 and wilson there were 3 other qb's taken that haven't shown much of any promise that they'll be franchise altering guys.

So Where this notion comes from that its so easy to land a franchise qb in the draft is beyond me.

Ok you dirty little squirrel you. Show one post that suggest we need to replace Schaub with a "FRANCHISE" QB. You can't! No one thinks we're going to just be able to replace Sloth Schaub over night with a "FRANCHISE" QB.

We just want someone better than Schaub. That is no where near as hard as finding a "FRANCHISE" QB.

 

[Norg]

pretty much all thoes QB;s wont be avabile

the draft clas and F/a class next year kinda sucks so right now we only hvae 3 qb's right now

Matt yates and keenum better like one of thoes 3 because thats all ur going to see right now

 

[klockWork]

What is he like 17-3 in his last 20 starts ? Give me a break

There's more to the story than it being just schaub who isn't playing well.

You think teams in the playoff care about a QB with 17-3 record with zero playoff games?
The Texans are like that big kid that bully everyone at the beginning of the school year. Then words got out that bully got punked in gym class. Then later it happen again during band practice. And again while getting off the school bus. Now prom is coming up. Someone there is gonna make a statement to that punk kid by dumping a big bowl of fruit punch over his head.

That's where I stand with the Texans. When playoff comes it could get embarrassing and pathetic.

 

[mussop]

I agree.

Time to run what you brung....

Shaub is what he is but he does do some good, I think some folks are acting as if he is Gabbert or something. Shaub has his short comings for sure, but the OL and playcallling have been underwhelming as of late. We should have run somemscreens to slow down the Vikings DL. Kubiak is either holding back, or has lost his touch on offense.

No doubt we are going to run with it this year AND next. Unless we win teh Super Bowl this year or Schaub suddenly starts lighting it up we need to start looking for his eventual replacement.

 

[mussop]

pretty much all thoes QB;s wont be avabile

the draft clas and F/a class next year kinda sucks so right now we only hvae 3 qb's right now

Matt yates and keenum better like one of thoes 3 because thats all ur going to see right now

So you think there are no better prospects in the draft/FA than Keenam or Yates or Schaub?

 

[Norg]

So you think there are no better prospects in the draft/FA than Keenam or Yates or Schaub?

not in the 3rd and 4th rounds its kinda a gamble or wash this year and thoes rounds with qb's

but we might draft a QB in the draft next year but it prob wont be in the 1st and 2nd

and thats not really gonna help our team it will be another project

 

[Mr teX]

Ok you dirty little squirrel you. Show one post that suggest we need to replace Schaub with a "FRANCHISE" QB. You can't! No one thinks we're going to just be able to replace Sloth Schaub over night with a "FRANCHISE" QB.

We just want someone better than Schaub. That is no where near as hard as finding a "FRANCHISE" QB.

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

 

[Rey]

Funny how fast everyone forgets Schaubs 2008 thru 2010 seasons. When we had one of the top passing teams in the league but no defense to back it up.

John kitna had a few seasons where he passed for a bunch of yards too.

I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of mediocre qb's that have passed for a lot of yards.

And the 17-3 stat is misleading. The team overall has gotten better. The qb is the same, maybe less mobile. What was his record the years prior?

 

[mussop]

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

Does anyone else smell that? Smells like poo!

next step up from good is ready, ready, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Above average with a hint of mobility.

 

[GP]

LOL.

 

[Rey]

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

 

[mussop]

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

GREAT POST REY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSR

 

[Mr teX]

Does anyone else smell that? Smells like poo!

next step up from good is ready, ready, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Above average with a hint of mobility.

Asinine post..if your good you're already above average.

 

[Texecutioner]

Funny how fast everyone forgets Schaubs 2008 thru 2010 seasons. When we had one of the top passing teams in the league but no defense to back it up. Has schaub looked bad (as of late) hell yeah he has, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. What is he like 17-3 in his last 20 starts ? Give me a break

There's more to the story than it being just schaub who isn't playing well.

Our fan base is filled with irrational fans that change their views every week. Just a few weeks ago Schaub was thought of as a great player to have on this team and people said this team was SB bound. Two losses later, Schaub is thought of as a back up despite the fact that any smart football fan couldn't name 5 QB's in the AFC that have been better then Schaub over the last few years. It doesn't matter that the O line has been atrocious in certain games and it doesn't matter that the running game hasn't done anything. It's all on Schaub, but that's how our fan base views things. Schaub isn't mobile, so everything gets blamed on him. The bottom line is that these fans that go nuts because Schaub isn't mobile weren't saying jack about this several years ago and many acted like he was a great QB. But anyone who constantly complains about Schaub not being mobile now is pretty stinking late to complain about it.

Where was the complaining about that in season two with Schaub? He didn't become non mobile over night. He has always been that way, and if he doesn't get protection he has always been ineffective. The people that see that as a problem now sound silly, because this has been an issue for years, and yet Schaub wasn't a problem then. But for some reason now Schaub is this awful QB because he isn't mobile when the Texans are 12-3. If you go back to last season before Schaub got hurt his record as a starter would have been like 18-3 or something like that. But yeah, he's a back up. Lol! So if that is the case, you'd think we could just plug anyone in here as a starter since our team is so great that we can just start a back up like Schaub and have such a good record. Funny though, because right now I see a problem with our run blocking, our pass blocking, and our WR's ability to make plays other then AJ But the only problem that these irrational fans see is Schaub. Lol!

 

[Mr teX]

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

Lot of good romo's extra play making ability did him against the saints this past week....chicago before that. Like i've been saying, there are pros and cons with every qb in this league outside of the top 5.

You'd love romo's mobility and strong arm until you've had enough of him running around trying to extend plays only to gets blind-sided by a defensive player, fumbles and the other team picks up and scores off it or he throws it and it gets picked........when he could've just thrown it away and lived to play another down. That kinda crap has been wearing thin on cowboys fans for years.

You'd love jay cutler's strong arm and mobility until you get tired of him making the same bone-headed throws into double and triple coverage every week and he's throwing 2-3 ints a game..when he could've just thrown it away and lived to fight another down...and then he comes to the sideline pouting and throwing guys under the bus.

And oh, You'd love alex smith strong arm and mobility until you get tired of seeing him go paralysis by analysis in the pocket, he gets sacked in the pocket and fumbles the ball...when he could've just thrown it away or run outta there and slid down.

 

[Texecutioner]

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

Who are these people that would want Romo over Schaub?? Any spare me with the people in here who have trashed Romo for years that would maybe say that now, because they wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago. Romo was throwing INT's earlier this season like they were hot cakes. Romo has been streaky throughout his entire career. I've always thought Romo was pretty good though and a QB that you can win with if you surround him with a ton of great players at other positions and don't expect Romo to carry the team or to win games for you a lot. If you do, then Romo will fail like he always has. He is just like Schaub in that regard. But to suggest that he somehow better is pretty silly when their numbers from year to year have been pretty even. And Romo has gotten a lot more criticism then Schaub has in his career as well. The majority of people on this site have trashed Romo. A lot of it has to do with him being a Cowboy probably, but it'sbeen the case none the less.

 

[mussop]

Our fan base is filled with irrational fans that change their views every week. Just a few weeks ago Schaub was thought of as a great player to have on this team and people said this team was SB bound. Two losses later, Schaub is thought of as a back up despite the fact that any smart football fan couldn't name 5 QB's in the AFC that have been better then Schaub over the last few years. It doesn't matter that the O line has been atrocious in certain games and it doesn't matter that the running game hasn't done anything. It's all on Schaub, but that's how our fan base views things. Schaub isn't mobile, so everything gets blamed on him. The bottom line is that these fans that go nuts because Schaub isn't mobile weren't saying jack about this several years ago and many acted like he was a great QB. But anyone who constantly complains about Schaub not being mobile now is pretty stinking late to complain about it.

Where was the complaining about that in season two with Schaub? He didn't become non mobile over night. He has always been that way, and if he doesn't get protection he has always been ineffective. The people that see that as a problem now sound silly, because this has been an issue for years, and yet Schaub wasn't a problem then. But for some reason now Schaub is this awful QB because he isn't mobile when the Texans are 12-3. If you go back to last season before Schaub got hurt his record as a starter would have been like 18-3 or something like that. But yeah, he's a back up. Lol! So if that is the case, you'd think we could just plug anyone in here as a starter since our team is so great that we can just start a back up like Schaub and have such a good record. Funny though, because right now I see a problem with our run blocking, our pass blocking, and our WR's ability to make plays other then AJ But the only problem that these irrational fans see is Schaub. Lol!

Thats because when other things break down the QB needs to be able to make plays. If he can't (and Schaub can't) then he's probably not the QB to lead your team to the Super Bowl. Thats the plan right? Go to the Super Bowl?

 

[Thorn]

Elite coaches are like elite QBs, there are just so very very few of them, and we haven't got either. That's also the case with most teams in the NFL, we aren't anything special, on either the good or bad side.

 

[Texecutioner]

Thats because when other things break down the QB needs to be able to make plays. If he can't (and Schaub can't) then he's probably not the QB to lead your team to the Super Bowl. Thats the plan right? Go to the Super Bowl?

I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.

 

[Rey]

Lot of good romo's extra play making ability did him against the saints this past week....chicago before that. Like i've been saying, there are pros and cons with every qb in this league outside of the top 5.

You'd love romo's mobility and strong arm until you've had enough of him running around trying to extend plays only to gets blind-sided by a defensive player, fumbles and the other team picks up and scores off it or he throws it and it gets picked........when he could've just thrown it away and lived to play another down. That kinda crap has been wearing thin on cowboys fans for years.

You'd love jay cutler's strong arm and mobility until you get tired of him making the same bone-headed throws into double and triple coverage every week and he's throwing 2-3 ints a game..when he could've just thrown it away and lived to fight another down...and then he comes to the sideline pouting and throwing guys under the bus.

And oh, You'd love alex smith strong arm and mobility until you get tired of seeing him go paralysis by analysis in the pocket, he gets sacked in the pocket and fumbles the ball...when he could've just thrown it away or run outta there and slid down.

Yeah, I pretty much answered everything here in the post you quoted.

 

[Hookem Horns]

To me QBs are measured in the clutch and in the playoffs. Schaub has never played in a playoff game so the jury is still out.

However if the last game which was not a playoff game but a game to lock up home field was any indication of how he will perform in the playoffs then yeah, we are in deep trouble.

Not a fan of Kubiak however name one great QB that went on to be a good coach. Both Harbaugh brothers were basically backups and not quality starters when they were starting.

 

[EllisUnit]

You think teams in the playoff care about a QB with 17-3 record with zero playoff games?
The Texans are like that big kid that bully everyone at the beginning of the school year. Then words got out that bully got punked in gym class. Then later it happen again during band practice. And again while getting off the school bus. Now prom is coming up. Someone there is gonna make a statement to that punk kid by dumping a big bowl of fruit punch over his head.

That's where I stand with the Texans. When playoff comes it could get embarrassing and pathetic.

Don't really care what other teams think, fact is we don't know how schaub will play in the play offs. For all any of us know he might take it to a whole other level and be supwebowl MVP. As of now how he will perform is all opinion and nothing more.

 

[Wolf]

I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.

Also Manning and Brady can dissect a defense in less than 3seconds. They make the line better that what they are

Yep after Schaub threw for 500 + no one was posting

 

[klockWork]

It's unfair how people here use the O-line to defend Schaub when he's not playing well. Our pass blocking is not as bad as people make it out to be. Schaub is getting sufficient time to throw and when there is pressure he has the responsibilty to either step up or to the side of the pocket so the defender can run by. Most pass rush is avoidable by this fundamental footwork. These are the things every QB are taught in practice.

I remember a few years ago I visited Boston and had the chance to go watch a Patriots practice. I saw Tom Brady in a pocket-practice session where the staff were rolling big medicine balls at him from many angles. He was avoiding those balls while keeping his eyes down field with just a slide of the feet here and there. Brady like Schaub is no world-class athlete with their feet. QB that aren't mobile, like Brady and Manning can erased a bad block by their lineman by using simple footwork. The problem with Schaub is he has zero pocket awareness and instinct. That's why you see him often bracing on phantom pass rush.

Schaub strenght only last 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. After that if he can't find his targets a fuse go off in his head regardless of whether there's pressure or not. You see him looking for a roll out lane. Schaub will look for a roll out lane REGARDLESS of a presence of pressure. I seen him rolled out of a three-man pass rush on max-protected. Hell, I've seen him rolled out on a two-man rush where the defense drop everyone back to prevent a a red zone TD. When a QB do that they limit themselves to viable throwing targets. They also create the illusion to the media and fans that the O-line failed on that play and that's the reason a QB failed to make a throw. "It's the O-line fault. They didn't allow him enough time. Look how the QB have to scramble from that pass rush. They broke down"

Those guys upfront are busting their butts off for that guy. They're not perfect on every pass play. And they far from bad. They sufficient for the most part and that should be enough. To have you people here bash them is disgusting. You put a QB with sound footwork and good pocket-instinct behind that line, I guarantee everyone will view our O-line in a more positive way.

If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.

I wish folks here stop blaming the O-line for Schaub bad QB plays. He panic too often when his reciever are covered. And when he make a good throw within his 3 second window people are cool with that. But if his 3 second is up and there's no one open and Schaub gives up and takes a seat on defender's lap people call out our line.

This QB needs to be held accountable. So please. Stop blaming the line!!

 

[Wolf]

The ol and QB go together either one can make the other great

 

[steelbtexan]

I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.

While Brady and Manning aren't Vick, Brady moves around and usually runs 3-5 times a game to pick up crucial 1st downs. Do you remember the run against the Texans for example. Manning while not a runner, he reads defenses quckly, moves around in the pocket well and has as fast of a release as anybody.

Schaub, (I was a Schaub guy) is like a sitting duck, I think the injury to his foot has changed Garys playcalling too. In 2008-2010, what do you think would've been the odds that Gary would've called atleast one QB sneak on 1st and 10 from the 1 yd line?

The OL has been terrible the past month and the right side of the OL has been bad all yr. Also Gary has failed to give Schaub the weapons he neds to take this offense to another level. Hopefully they draft a WR like Patterson, and draft another OT like Long or Winters in the 2nd rd.

Because Schaub needs all of the help he can get due to his foot injury and Schaub is going to be the Texans QB for the next 3 yrs. Just like Gary will be the Texans HC for that long, if not longer. We as Texans fans need to accept this and hope that sometime in the near future Rick/Gary will draft a franchise QB like when Rodgers was drafted while Favre was still playing.

Right now Schaub reminds me Marino at the end of his career, without Marinos arm. They dont have the mobility to even avoid the rush, much less run a true WC offense effectively.

 

[ObsiWan]

Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill

What team is going to let any of these guys go?
Answer: None. Not one.

So what is the point of this question?

 

[NitroGSXR]

What team is going to let any of these guys go?
Answer: None. Not one.

So what is the point of this question?

I bet you half of them would be HAPPY to trade them straight up for Schaub.

 

[ThaShark316]

It's unfair how people here use the O-line to defend Schaub when he's not playing well. Our pass blocking is not as bad as people make it out to be. Schaub is getting sufficient time to throw and when there is pressure he has the responsibilty to either step up or to the side of the pocket so the defender can run by. Most pass rush is avoidable by this fundamental footwork. These are the things every QB are taught in practice.

I remember a few years ago I visited Boston and had the chance to go watch a Patriots practice. I saw Tom Brady in a pocket-practice session where the staff were rolling big medicine balls at him from many angles. He was avoiding those balls while keeping his eyes down field with just a slide of the feet here and there. Brady like Schaub is no world-class athlete with their feet. QB that aren't mobile, like Brady and Manning can erased a bad block by their lineman by using simple footwork. The problem with Schaub is he has zero pocket awareness and instinct. That's why you see him often bracing on phantom pass rush.

Schaub strenght only last 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. After that if he can't find his targets a fuse go off in his head regardless of whether there's pressure or not. You see him looking for a roll out lane. Schaub will look for a roll out lane REGARDLESS of a presence of pressure. I seen him rolled out of a three-man pass rush on max-protected. Hell, I've seen him rolled out on a two-man rush where the defense drop everyone back to prevent a a red zone TD. When a QB do that they limit themselves to viable throwing targets. They also create the illusion to the media and fans that the O-line failed on that play and that's the reason a QB failed to make a throw. "It's the O-line fault. They didn't allow him enough time. Look how the QB have to scramble from that pass rush. They broke down"

Those guys upfront are busting their butts off for that guy. They're not perfect on every pass play. And they far from bad. They sufficient for the most part and that should be enough. To have you people here bash them is disgusting. You put a QB with sound footwork and good pocket-instinct behind that line, I guarantee everyone will view our O-line in a more positive way.

If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.

I wish folks here stop blaming the O-line for Schaub bad QB plays. He panic too often when his reciever are covered. And when he make a good throw within his 3 second window people are cool with that. But if his 3 second is up and there's no one open and Schaub gives up and takes a seat on defender's lap people call out our line.

This QB needs to be held accountable. So please. Stop blaming the line!!

**** that, I'm blaming the line just like I'm blaming Schaub. The OL has been ass for a month...this is fact.

It's the same crap that Foster gets when he "doesn't look the same". Good God, people...this is the football, the ultimate team sport. Schaub was terrible; has been for a few games, but to pretend like the Offensive line hasn't had a hand in the offense's suck-dom is crazy.

 

[Brisco_County]

I suspect that Schaub is injured right now. Possibly concussed. Something is affecting his concentration, and causing him to overreact to pursuing defenders. He is definitely not as sharp or accurate as he was in the first half of the season.

 

[Premier]

I bet you half of them would be HAPPY to trade them straight up for Schaub.

lol really? name them.. which teams would trade their qb straight up for schaub.. of the teams listed in the op.. i even added 4 on the back end.. now tell us, which half of the names listed would their teams love to trade for schaub..

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill
Cam Newton
Philip Rivers
Joe Flacco
Andy Dalton

 

[NitroGSXR]

lol really? name them.. which teams would trade their qb straight up for schaub.. of the teams listed in the op.. i even added 4 on the back end.. now tell us, which half of the names listed would their teams love to trade for schaub..

Anyone not named Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning. The high draft rooks don't count. As always, it depends on the system as always but you would be lying to yourself if you don't think that these teams would perk their ears at a possible Schaub trade.

12 and 3!

The Schaub hate here is super strong.

 

[badboy]

Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

None of our 12 wins stand out at all. @ Denver while they were adjusting early on. Baltimore has proven to be not as good as advertised. Same with Chicago.
Schaub will NEVER be the leader this team needs in primetime and when games matter most. If this team gets down by 2+ scores, we're fuc*ed... All of our wins come from defensive forced turnovers and scores or Arian Foster playing very well to where any QB could come in with a playaction call.

Back to that list:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill

If the purpose of the thread is to compare QBs cool as we have done that before. However, if you want to replace Schaub as you indicate, would you not need to suggest QBs you can get? You seem to be saying you don't like your wife and you are comparing her to other guys wives that you cannot have. Eliminate them and those single women that don't want you. Basically you have to choose other teams' rejects, those that will soon be on the market as their husbands will no longer support their "high maintenance" or young sweet things coming out of school that may go with you as they have no other choice (draft).