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Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0

Oh God, no. A million X, no. That's the same thing I said last year, and I still feel like an idiot. O'Brien can only turn Fitzpatrick into Fitzpatrick Premium. Which is a .500, rather than a losing, QB.
I think he already has turned him it to the best fitzy he can be. I have this increasing sense of foreboding that Fitz part two is what we'll see. Or at least some tandem with mallett based on what happens in training camp. Between the lack of draftable qbs and miserable free agency crop I'm becoming resigned that our next qb is already on the roster. I'm not exactly thrilled about it unless the brief glimpse of "good mallet" truly is a sign of things to come.
 
I'm not looking forward to it, but a second year in this system & Fitz may very well be our Rich Gannon. We've yet to see what Mallett would look like with just a little pressure getting to him. & Keenum... he's like a cockroach. Nuclear bomb wouldn't kill him. Which is kinda cool in it's own way.

Man you are a card carrying member of the sunshine club .... That much is certain. (That's not a bad thing)

I cant stand another year of Fitzpatrick. He wasn't bad , he wasn't good .... He just was. That's the kind of play that keeps teams mired in the middle of the pack .... Not good enough to compete for Lombardi Trophy's and not bad enough to earn early draft picks.
I'd rather watch Savage all season .... at least you get a reward at the end.
 
Cool, guess we have Troy Aikman waiting in the wings then! Chas Dodd stealing the job and not giving it back to Savage because the coach thought the great Chas Dodd was doing it better is a lot like the coaching completely changing to a wishbone offense that Aikman wasn't suited to run. And I guess that Savage quitting on the competition before it happened even though pretty much everyone at Arizona thought Matt Scott was about to become the starter over Savage is NOT the same as losing. Quitting before you lose is just fine. Who am I though? I'm just a guy being moronic who can't read. I actually got someone else to write this for me too cause I can't do that either. Aikman won 3 ships, let's do this Savage!

Not even willing to give Savage a chance after a yr of BOB's tutelage? Is it possible Savage has improved quite a bit?

Nah no chance, screw it.
 
Not even willing to give Savage a chance after a yr of BOB's tutelage? Is it possible Savage has improved quite a bit?

Nah no chance, screw it.

He's gotta be better starting next season than what he showed this one. I'm sure he will be better at hand offs.

He was a rookie "project" qb and will have a full offseason and has a favorable contract so there's that. Pardon me if I don't believe in his long term viability for the franchise. I was initially responding to a question that involved MY opinion of him.

Go answer the other dudes question and explain why Savage is gonna turn it around and be a valuable part of this franchise instead of focusing on my opinion though.

He's here and not going anywhere so here's to hoping "quack quack"
 
man you are a card carrying member of the sunshine club .... That much is certain. (that's not a bad thing)

i cant stand another year of fitzpatrick. He wasn't bad , he wasn't good .... He just was. That's the kind of play that keeps my tv intact only because of my bad aim.... Not good enough to compete for lombardi trophy's and not bad enough to earn early draft picks.
I'd rather watch savage all season .... At least you get a reward at the end.


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He's gotta be better starting next season than what he showed this one. I'm sure he will be better at hand offs.

He was a rookie "project" qb and will have a full offseason and has a favorable contract so there's that. Pardon me if I don't believe in his long term viability for the franchise. I was initially responding to a question that involved MY opinion of him.

Go answer the other dudes question and explain why Savage is gonna turn it around and be a valuable part of this franchise instead of focusing on my opinion though.

He's here and not going anywhere so here's to hoping "quack quack"

I just believe in giving a guy a chance.

He has the tools BOB looks for in a QB.

Odds are you will be right on this.
 
Man you are a card carrying member of the sunshine club .... That much is certain. (That's not a bad thing)

I cant stand another year of Fitzpatrick. He wasn't bad , he wasn't good .... He just was. That's the kind of play that keeps teams mired in the middle of the pack .... Not good enough to compete for Lombardi Trophy's and not bad enough to earn early draft picks.
I'd rather watch Savage all season .... at least you get a reward at the end.

This is where I'm at. What's the function of just existing to exist. Exist to get better. Find the missing pieces and if you fall on your face in the process at least you know what is NOT getting it done and can focus on fixing it, with like you said "a reward at the end" in the form of high draft picks.

McNair is a very patient owner, sometimes almost to a fault, but he's never shown that he is gonna be that Cleveland Browns owner and completely overhaul the franchise each new season. BoB shouldn't feel pressed to win 9 games in his first season at the detriment of the franchise in seasons 2, 3, and 4. He's gonna have 4 years so just make sure in year 4 we are going in the right direction. Just get this ship in the dock, properly assess the problems, then get the money (picks) to fix it the right way before you send it back off to sea. Instead we just have a patchwork crew plugging up water leaks while we are on this journey and I'm just sitting inside my cabin watching the water slowly rise.

I just believe in giving a guy a chance.

He has the tools BOB looks for in a QB.

Odds are you will be right on this.

And that's fair, he's here and not going anywhere for probably at least 2 more years, so let's hope he can show us all something that causes me to eat crow.
 
I just believe in giving a guy a chance.

He has the tools BOB looks for in a QB.

Odds are you will be right on this.

His chance comes in training camp next season ..... Its not like he's going anywhere as he's under contract.

But from those who think he's gonna be something more than he's shown , I want to know why you think this , what exactly has he done to give you the slightest clue he is a Quality NFL starting quarterback.

My answer to that is a short one : Nothing.

I know , you ask me why I don't believe he will be a quality player ... we don't have a whole lot to go on but here's my response:

He looked totally unprepared .... That wouldn't be an issue early in the season but we're talking about week 15 of the NFL season.

Poor footwork.

Miscommunication play calls - simple plays.

Trouble fielding a snap.

Slow release.

Didn't show me the rifle arm we heard so much about. Appeared to me to be very ordinary in that aspect.

Poor pocket awareness.


Can he improve on some or all of those ?! Sure .... but even if he does he's no better than Brent Pease.
 
His chance comes in training camp next season ..... Its not like he's going anywhere as he's under contract.

But from those who think he's gonna be something more than he's shown , I want to know why you think this , what exactly has he done to give you the slightest clue he is a Quality NFL starting quarterback.

My answer to that is a short one : Nothing.

I know , you ask me why I don't believe he will be a quality player ... we don't have a whole lot to go on but here's my response:

He looked totally unprepared .... That wouldn't be an issue early in the season but we're talking about week 15 of the NFL season.

Poor footwork.

Miscommunication play calls - simple plays.

Trouble fielding a snap.

Slow release.

Didn't show me the rifle arm we heard so much about. Appeared to me to be very ordinary in that aspect.

Poor pocket awareness.

Can he improve on some or all of those ?! Sure .... but even if he does he's no better than Brent Pease.

This is why I think there will be a fourth QB on the roster. Savage didn't show any more when pressed into action in week 15 than he did in his preseason appearances. If he had, there would have been no reason to go get Keenum and press him into starter duty.
 
This is why I think there will be a fourth QB on the roster. Savage didn't show any more when pressed into action in week 15 than he did in his preseason appearances. If he had, there would have been no reason to go get Keenum and press him into starter duty.

And I thought we signed Keenum and Lewis because everyone else, including Savage, was injured.

:coffee:
 
This is why I think there will be a fourth QB on the roster. Savage didn't show any more when pressed into action in week 15 than he did in his preseason appearances. If he had, there would have been no reason to go get Keenum and press him into starter duty.

You do realize that Savage had a hyperextended knee and couldn't play.

Corrosion was talking about Savage's lack of arm strength. I appeared to me his arm strength was fine until his knee was hurt. I'm also willing to overlook his early bad footwork fumble because that was a case of the nerves and he improved as the game wore on.

Some of the greats looked terrible in their 1st NFL action. (Favre/Elway/Manning etc...) I'm not saying that Savage will be as good as these guys, but I'm also not willing to write off a guy who came off of the bench cold and gave his team chance to win with 2:00 mins left in the game against a division winning Colts team.

How would you feel about Savage if Posey's phantom holding call hadn't been made, and Savage had beaten the Colts for the1st time in franchise history in Indy? Savage hadn't gotten hurt and lead the Texans into the playoffs this weekend? I bet there would be a different narrative when it comes to Savage as the QB of the future on this MB.

With that said I just want to see if Savage has a future or not. Odds say y'all are right on this one. But stranger things have happened. BTW, I'm not a Savage Fanboy.
 
And I thought we signed Keenum and Lewis because everyone else, including Savage, was injured.

:coffee:

Lewis was signed after the injury to Mallett. We sill had a healthy Fitz and Savage.

Keenum was signed after the injuries to Fitz and Savage when only Lewis was healthy and he was working on 2 weeks knowledge of OB's system.
 
Man you are a card carrying member of the sunshine club .... That much is certain. (That's not a bad thing)

I cant stand another year of Fitzpatrick. He wasn't bad , he wasn't good .... He just was. That's the kind of play that keeps teams mired in the middle of the pack .... Not good enough to compete for Lombardi Trophy's and not bad enough to earn early draft picks.
I'd rather watch Savage all season .... at least you get a reward at the end.

I still believe OB when he said we will have a multiple offense that would change week to week depending on what they scout of our opposing team.

I don't think we ever got that far while OB was trying to protect his QB.

IF we get Mallett back, I think we'll be able to game plan against other teams. If not, it's more likely that he'll be able to do so with Fitz, than have to coach up another QB from scratch.

Whatever QB we get, step one is going to be "minimize mistakes/take care of the ball" before we move on to step two, "make plays." Of the QBs that will be available, they all make their share of mistakes & it'll be a while before OB can get past that.
 
This is why I think there will be a fourth QB on the roster. Savage didn't show any more when pressed into action in week 15 than he did in his preseason appearances. If he had, there would have been no reason to go get Keenum and press him into starter duty.

Check this out, tell me what you see. Look at week 15.
 
Check this out, tell me what you see. Look at week 15.
Is this proof that Savage is going to blossom into an Aaron Rodgers-level QB one day?

I like your Mallett theory better. If he comes back fully healthy I think our offense will be more effective.
 
Is this proof that Savage is going to blossom into an Aaron Rodgers-level QB one day?

I like your Mallett theory better. If he comes back fully healthy I think our offense will be more effective.
Assuming someone else doesn't offer him more.
 
Assuming someone else doesn't offer him more.

Not very likely to happen. Mallett coming off a torn pec muscle and knows this offense very well. The Texans know this and he knows this is his best chance at being a starter in this league.

he is not going anywhere else.
 
Not very likely to happen. Mallett coming off a torn pec muscle and knows this offense very well. The Texans know this and he knows this is his best chance at being a starter in this league.

he is not going anywhere else.
I think you're probably* right, but for some reason I keep forgetting he's a FA and have to keep reminding myself. So I've taken to reminding others too :-)

*I think there is a possibility someone else makes an offer. There's a lot of teams needing a qb and not enough talent to go around, but for the reasons you state, he probably ends up with us... If we want him.
 
Is this proof that Savage is going to blossom into an Aaron Rodgers-level QB one day?

It's proof that that one game doesn't mean anything. It's proof that even a QB as good as Aaron Rodgers would have similar results in that same situation.
 
Not very likely to happen. Mallett coming off a torn pec muscle and knows this offense very well. The Texans know this and he knows this is his best chance at being a starter in this league.

he is not going anywhere else.

What if Josh McDaniels goes to New York? Or Buffalo?
 
Not very likely to happen. Mallett coming off a torn pec muscle and knows this offense very well. The Texans know this and he knows this is his best chance at being a starter in this league.

he is not going anywhere else.

Money talks. If the money isn't at least close, he'll walk.
 
you expect someone to over him $50 mill or something?

I posted in another thread that I thought he'd wind up at 3 years and 21M after all is said and done. It's not expensive for a starter, but too expensive for a backup and more than Fitz.

Maybe 6M signing bonus with base of 4m, 5m and 6m and maybe $10M guaranteed. He may even prefer a one year contract over the three hoping he becomes entrenched as the starter and able to demand much more. It depends on his aversion to risk and confidence.
 
I wouldn't be completely surprised if we low-balled him

I'd be very surprised if anyone else high-balled him


I posted in another thread that I thought he'd wind up at 3 years and 21M after all is said and done. It's not expensive for a starter, but too expensive for a backup and more than Fitz.

Maybe 6M signing bonus with base of 4m, 5m and 6m and maybe $10M guaranteed. He may even prefer a one year contract over the three hoping he becomes entrenched as the starter and able to demand much more. It depends on his aversion to risk and confidence.

What makes you think he would bring that much money? What's changed since he couldn't bring even a very low draft pick in the upcoming draft?

Two games, one decent and one worse than Ryan Leaf? Just who is going to be so desperate to give him that money?
 
This is why I think there will be a fourth QB on the roster. Savage didn't show any more when pressed into action in week 15 than he did in his preseason appearances. If he had, there would have been no reason to go get Keenum and press him into starter duty.

And there you have it. He looked no better in week 15 than he did in preseason and you could argue he looked significantly worse.

You do realize that Savage had a hyperextended knee and couldn't play.

Corrosion was talking about Savage's lack of arm strength. I appeared to me his arm strength was fine until his knee was hurt. I'm also willing to overlook his early bad footwork fumble because that was a case of the nerves and he improved as the game wore on.

I never said he lacked arm strength , what I said was he doesn't have the big arm that he was hyped for - He looked to have an ordinary arm by NFL standards. Nothing special.

As for having a case of the shakes due to nerves .... If he cant exhibit good mechanics in a no pressure situation , how's he going to fare when the heat is turned up ?!


Some of the greats looked terrible in their 1st NFL action. (Favre/Elway/Manning etc...) I'm not saying that Savage will be as good as these guys, but I'm also not willing to write off a guy who came off of the bench cold and gave his team chance to win with 2:00 mins left in the game against a division winning Colts team.

Sure a lot of the greats didn't look like world beaters in their first action .... but this was beyond bad and there was a lot of it. Yeah he threw a couple nice deep balls ... but when you add it all up , there was a lot more negative than positive.

How would you feel about Savage if Posey's phantom holding call hadn't been made, and Savage had beaten the Colts for the1st time in franchise history in Indy? Savage hadn't gotten hurt and lead the Texans into the playoffs this weekend? I bet there would be a different narrative when it comes to Savage as the QB of the future on this MB.

Not much different as Foster made that play and took it thru traffic. There was nothing spectacular about the pass , the spectacular was Foster getting to pay dirt.

With that said I just want to see if Savage has a future or not. Odds say y'all are right on this one. But stranger things have happened. BTW, I'm not a Savage Fanboy.

He'll get that chance in training camp , he'll likely remain on the roster or at least the practice squad after that too .... just to give him every opportunity to progress. I doubt they give up on him after one redshirt year.


My point is a simple one , I'm fine with Mallett as the starter for now but I want a better option than Savage or Fitzpatrick should Mallett fail.

If Mallett does fail there is no reason to go thru the entire season with him failing , it makes more sense to have the next prospect behind him on the roster so we aren't wasting the next year too.

I'd rather go 2-14 gambling on a quality QB prospect than 9-7 with a placeholder who doesn't screw up much but doesn't give me a shot at the big prize either.
2-14 gives you a prize at the end in the form of a high draft pick & a shot at the best QB prospects while 9-7 leaves you mired in the middle.
 
Not very likely to happen. Mallett coming off a torn pec muscle and knows this offense very well. The Texans know this and he knows this is his best chance at being a starter in this league.

he is not going anywhere else.

I think they resign him to a 3 to 4 year deal in the $4m-$5m range with only the first year guaranteed and the following seasons becoming guaranteed based upon performance / making the roster the 2nd season.

This gives you the option to cut him after the first year should he not be the answer you are looking for without hurting your cap situation in future years or locks him up for a few seasons should he be the answer.
 
I think they resign him to a 3 to 4 year deal in the $4m-$5m range with only the first year guaranteed and the following seasons becoming guaranteed based upon performance / making the roster the 2nd season.
Mallett isn't going to sign that. Why would he give the Texans 3-4 years of control without guaranteed money? He'll either sign a one year deal, and try to earn the big contract, or get the guaranteed money. I don't know who else will be after him. Maybe McDaniels if he gets a head coaching job? I think Mallett will get more $$$ than a lot of people think.
 
Mallett isn't going to sign that. Why would he give the Texans 3-4 years of control without guaranteed money? He'll either sign a one year deal, and try to earn the big contract, or get the guaranteed money. I don't know who else will be after him. Maybe McDaniels if he gets a head coaching job? I think Mallett will get more $$$ than a lot of people think.

I'm thinking one year with a mutual option for a second. Unless someone blows him away, he'll resign with the Texans if money is close
 
It's proof that that one game doesn't mean anything. It's proof that even a QB as good as Aaron Rodgers would have similar results in that same situation.
Fair enough.
I await more Savage performance samples to assess.
 
Money talks. If the money isn't at least close, he'll walk.

Mallett understands that his career will be defined over the next two years. If he wants elite money, his only path is to sign with a team this off-season where he has a good chance to start and succeed. It is hard to imagine Mallett and the Texans would struggle to come to terms on a deal if the Texans want him back. No other team can offer him a better opportunity based on need, surrounding talent, familiarity with system. It would be unlikely and unwise to leave Houston for Oakland or Tampa bay for an extra $1mil... And unlikely and unwise for Houston to let him walk over a small amount if they want him back.
 
I'm thinking one year with a mutual option for a second.
That would end up a one year deal. If Mallett excels, he would pass on the option and hit free agency. If Mallett fails, the Texans would pass and keep looking for a QB. Mallett will have to get some guaranteed money to sign for more than a year.
 
Mallett isn't going to sign that. Why would he give the Texans 3-4 years of control without guaranteed money? He'll either sign a one year deal, and try to earn the big contract, or get the guaranteed money. I don't know who else will be after him. Maybe McDaniels if he gets a head coaching job? I think Mallett will get more $$$ than a lot of people think.

I agree. His salary is going to be more than Fitzpatrick's to situate him as our "obvious" starter. Even though we'll probably cut Fitzpatrick. He'll get two years to prove he's the man, then his contract will baloon in the third year.
 
And there you have it. He looked no better in week 15 than he did in preseason and you could argue he looked significantly worse.



I never said he lacked arm strength , what I said was he doesn't have the big arm that he was hyped for - He looked to have an ordinary arm by NFL standards. Nothing special.

As for having a case of the shakes due to nerves .... If he cant exhibit good mechanics in a no pressure situation , how's he going to fare when the heat is turned up ?!




Sure a lot of the greats didn't look like world beaters in their first action .... but this was beyond bad and there was a lot of it. Yeah he threw a couple nice deep balls ... but when you add it all up , there was a lot more negative than positive.



Not much different as Foster made that play and took it thru traffic. There was nothing spectacular about the pass , the spectacular was Foster getting to pay dirt.



He'll get that chance in training camp , he'll likely remain on the roster or at least the practice squad after that too .... just to give him every opportunity to progress. I doubt they give up on him after one redshirt year.


My point is a simple one , I'm fine with Mallett as the starter for now but I want a better option than Savage or Fitzpatrick should Mallett fail.

If Mallett does fail there is no reason to go thru the entire season with him failing , it makes more sense to have the next prospect behind him on the roster so we aren't wasting the next year too.

I'd rather go 2-14 gambling on a quality QB prospect than 9-7 with a placeholder who doesn't screw up much but doesn't give me a shot at the big prize either.
2-14 gives you a prize at the end in the form of a high draft pick & a shot at the best QB prospects while 9-7 leaves you mired in the middle.

I agree with most of this.

My answer would be to sign a Hasselbeck type QB. Adding Hundley type QB gets you nowhere. Either sign somebody better than Fitz, or draft the QB of the future if you don't believe in Savage. Which is where I believe you stand. I can understand where you're coming from but anybody that's drafted will probably look a lot like Savage did.

The more I've seen Lindley look for the Cards today makes me appreciate how Savage looked against Indy. Given the fact that Lindley got the chance to start a couple of games with no experience.

The thing that we both agree on is playing starting QB at a high level in the NFL isn't an easy proposition.
 
In other news, Ryan Mallett just hired TEXANRED as his new agent.

Thanks, now if I can collect my 3%. Here are the NFL QB salaries: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/

So $40M, $20M gauranteed with a $5M signing bonus puts Mallets true cap number at $20M spread out over 4 years (assuming he gets cut before year 3). Assuming he is a true starter he will be extended year 4 and his cap number changes. But that is just a guess.
 
So $40M, $20M gauranteed with a $5M signing bonus puts Mallets true cap number at $20M spread out over 4 years (assuming he gets cut before year 3). Assuming he is a true starter he will be extended year 4 and his cap number changes. But that is just a guess.

That doesn't really spell things out (and his "true" cap number is not going to be 20 over 4). Are you saying something like:

Signing bonus is 5 of the 20 quaranteed. What are you suggesting for the remainder? 1st and 2nd year guaranteed salaries of $7 and $8? (Making up the remainder of the 20) That leaves I guess 3rd and 4th year at $10 per.

Cap hits: $8.25, 9.25, 11.25 & 11.25.
Dead money after year 2 - $2.5, after year 3 - $1.25.

The structure isn't bad but I think the numbers are high in the 1st 2 years.
 
That doesn't really spell things out. Are you saying something like:

Signing bonus is 5 of the 20 quaranteed. What are you suggesting for the remainder? 1st and 2nd year guaranteed salaries of $7 and $8? (Making up the remainder of the 20) That leaves I guess 3rd and 4th year at $10 per.

Cap hits: $8.25, 9.25, 11.25 & 11.25.
Dead money after year 2 - $2.5, after year 3 - $1.25.

The structure isn't bad but I think the numbers are high in the 1st 2 years.
Yes. Something that gives the Texans an out but also leaves room to re-sign/extend/restructure if he is the next great thing.
 
after seeing the grim QB's in the draft and F/a

I say we should just keep all 3 QB's entering the season

Fitz
Mallett
Keenum
 
after seeing the grim QB's in the draft and F/a

I say we should just keep all 3 QB's entering the season

Fitz
Mallett
Keenum

We already know your choice... it's Brain Cushing
 
i find it curious that fitz is even being mentioned. what does he bring? if mallett's the guy, mallett has 4 years in the system - he doesn't need a mentor. if keenum is kept for pennies (not keeping him as a backup is just absurd to me), he's got a better rapport with the receivers than fitz and doesn't need a mentor. nobody actually wants fitz to see the field, and it makes no sense to pay him for what's unnecessary monday through saturday. our potential candidates next season need more work from the playcallers than fitz. and the rookie + savage will be exposed to a fantastic work ethic and how to study tape without an old journeyman.
 
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