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Would you trade for Colt McCoy?

I don't see any reason to want to do this. I'd rather wait and draft Keenum if I'm that intent on getting another backup QB.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't see any reason to want to do this. I'd rather wait and draft Keenum if I'm that intent on getting another backup QB.
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I like Keenum as a late round draft pick for us...IF Schaub is healthy...

If he's not I'd like someone that has actually played NFL games to play behind TJ or push him in TC...
 
Rey said:
I like Keenum as a late round draft pick for us...IF Schaub is healthy...

If he's not I'd like someone that has actually played NFL games to play behind TJ or push him in TC...
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This is my line of thinking as well. I think Colt could make some noise behind our o-line.
 
McCoy is hot garbage.

He's not an NFL QB. And truthfully, the Browns might have just picked another Big 12 QB who also will not translate into an NFL caliber QB.

Do not want. Not even for free.
 
******************* has to bring up Shipley's to those of us who can't have it!

On a serious note, yes for a late round selection I think it would be worth it to bring in an experienced QB who fits well with what Kubiak looks for at the position. While he might not have a cannon arm, he's got what it takes between the ears to be viable in a system like the one Gary runs.
 
I would do it. I think he would fit in nicely. Good kid. Knows the NFL already. I say a 6th or 7th.

I dont think CLE wants him even for a QB battle. They need old man Weeden to start now while he doesnt have to use a cane.
 
Blake said:
I would do it. I think he would fit in nicely. Good kid. Knows the NFL already. I say a 6th or 7th.

I dont think CLE wants him even for a QB battle. They need old man Weeden to start now while he doesnt have to use a cane.
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Yeah...A future conditional 6th or 7th round pick sounds good...
 
Some people are letting their nostalgic memories of Colt in a UT jersey get the best of them.

The guy is tiny, he hasn't done anything, and they've just drafted an old man from the Big 12's new King of Spread Offenses to replace him. Doesn't any of this register with you guys???

I would take TJ Yates every time over Colt McCoy. Every single time.
 
GP said:
Some people are letting their nostalgic memories of Colt in a UT jersey get the best of them.

The guy is tiny, he hasn't done anything, and they've just drafted an old man from the Big 12's new King of Spread Offenses to replace him. Doesn't any of this register with you guys???

I would take TJ Yates every time over Colt McCoy. Every single time.
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Colt hasn't been terrible.

Stats: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy

I'm talking about taking him as a second or third QB if Schaub isn't healthy. It's not about choosing Yates over him. He'd be a back-up to Yates.

Even in Cleveland without a great set of weapons around him he's done some good things. He's only in his third year and he showed improvement from yr 1 to year 2.

I think at worst here, with Kubiak teaching him and with some pretty good weapons around him he could be a good option if Schaub is hurt and can't go and Yates has to start the season off.


He has NFL experience and is young and has been ok overall.


Not sure why Colt is getting so much flak...
 
GP said:
Some people are letting their nostalgic memories of Colt in a UT jersey get the best of them.

The guy is tiny, he hasn't done anything, and they've just drafted an old man from the Big 12's new King of Spread Offenses to replace him. Doesn't any of this register with you guys???

I would take TJ Yates every time over Colt McCoy. Every single time.
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Who said they want him to be ahead of Yates? I would like him to come in and be our #3.
 
Blake said:
Who said they want him to be ahead of Yates? I would like him to come in and be our #3.
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The problem with that is Kubiak can pick a QB in the 5/6/7 rounds that would fit his system exactly and have him under a 4 year guaranteed deal. Trading for McCoy gets you 2 years at minimum money. Is there really that much value in getting McCoy over Kubiak handpicking a guy that he knows will be here for 4 years of Kubes QB College? I don't really see it, unless he's extremely cheap, like next year's 7th or from waivers.

In any case, the Giants are reportedly trying to work a deal to get him for a 6th or 7th.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The problem with that is Kubiak can pick a QB in the 5/6/7 rounds that would fit his system exactly and have him under a 4 year guaranteed deal. Trading for McCoy gets you 2 years at minimum money. Is there really that much value in getting McCoy over Kubiak handpicking a guy that he knows will be here for 4 years of Kubes QB College? I don't really see it, unless he's extremely cheap, like next year's 7th or from waivers.

In any case, the Giants are reportedly trying to work a deal to get him for a 6th or 7th.
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I think McCoy fits the Texans system pretty good. I have no idea if Kubiak does, but it wouldn't shock me.

And I do think there is more Value in McCoy that has played NFL football in a pretty damn tough division over getting a rookie IF it appears that Schaub can't go.

I'm not against drafting a guy like Keenum at all. I really like Keenum. But if it comes down to it, I'd rather have Keenum sitting and learning whereas if McCoy is pressed into duty I would feel ok, not great with him leading the team.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The problem with that is Kubiak can pick a QB in the 5/6/7 rounds that would fit his system exactly and have him under a 4 year guaranteed deal. Trading for McCoy gets you 2 years at minimum money. Is there really that much value in getting McCoy over Kubiak handpicking a guy that he knows will be here for 4 years of Kubes QB College? I don't really see it, unless he's extremely cheap, like next year's 7th or from waivers.

In any case, the Giants are reportedly trying to work a deal to get him for a 6th or 7th.
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A known commodity IMO is always more valuable than a late flyer rookie QB. Alex Brink was hand picked by Kubiak. Didnt work out too well. Even with 2 years of Kubes QB College.
 
I don't think will get another shot at starting in the nfl barring injury.

Considering we only have two QBs ATM, I don't think using a late round pick would be a bad option considering I am still nervous about Schaub really being healthy and ready to go. I like McCoy over Garcia and Delhomme as the 3rd or 4th option.
 
Colt McCoy rookie stats:
8 games, 222 attempts, 60.8% completion, 1576 yards (7.1 average), 6 TDs and 9 INTs and 1 fumble. 74.5 QB rating
28 for 136 rushing (4.9 average) with 1 TD

TJ Yates rookie stats:
6 games, 134 attempts, 61.2% completion, 949 yards (7 average), 3 TDs and 3 INTs and 4 fumbles. 80.7 QB rating
14 for 57 (4.1 average) with 0 TDs


They are pretty close statistics wise after their rookie seasons
 
gtexan02 said:
Colt McCoy rookie stats:
8 games, 222 attempts, 60.8% completion, 1576 yards (7.1 average), 6 TDs and 9 INTs and 1 fumble. 74.5 QB rating
28 for 136 rushing (4.9 average) with 1 TD

TJ Yates rookie stats:
6 games, 134 attempts, 61.2% completion, 949 yards (7 average), 3 TDs and 3 INTs and 4 fumbles. 80.7 QB rating
14 for 57 (4.1 average) with 0 TDs


They are pretty close statistics wise after their rookie seasons
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Right...

Add in that Colt probably played in a tougher defensive division with less weapons around and not as good an offensive system and I'm not sure why he's getting so much flak here...
 
Rey said:
I like Keenum as a late round draft pick for us...IF Schaub is healthy...

If he's not I'd like someone that has actually played NFL games to play behind TJ or push him in TC...
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Say for instance Schaub suddenly had some kind of bizarre unforseeen complication and had to get cut on again, major time missed. I start TJ, pay Delhomme to come back, and still draft Keenum. Keep Leinart's name in my rolodex if he doesn't get picked up.
 
Still have Yates on the roster. McCoy just needs receivers, and he said he's not seeking a trade.
 
Man, Holmgren & Heckert flat out lied to Colt and the public before the draft...

Chickensh!t way to go about your business, imo. It's no wonder Browns F.O. under-delivers.
 
Playoffs said:
Man, Holmgren & Heckert flat out lied to Colt and the public before the draft...

Chickensh!t way to go about your business, imo. It's no wonder Browns F.O. under-delivers.
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It's a football team, not a daycare center. I'm sure Colt will get over it.
 
I honestly don't like any of the decisions the Browns have made so far. They took an RB too high, they took a tier three QB too high, they passed on DeCastro, who was the perfect solution for two major needs (pass protection and run blocking), and they mishandled the communication with McCoy. I would hate to be a Brown's fan.
 
Playoffs said:
Man, Holmgren & Heckert flat out lied to Colt and the public before the draft...

Chickensh!t way to go about your business, imo. It's no wonder Browns F.O. under-delivers.
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A front office that LIED! OMG!!!!

Seriously, though. They're in the business of obfuscation. I've said this before and I'll say it again, transparency is great for business working in a free-market economy but for a team in a team sport, it's not.

31 other teams are staring at them trying to get some hints and clues as to what they're thinking and what they're trying to do. The FO's job is to be inscrutable and to create smokescreens that cause other teams to misjudge what their actions are going to be.

I don't want my FO being up front and honest. I don't want them to tell me what they're thinking and what they're planning on doing. I don't want them to give me an injury report that's 100% accurate.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
A front office that LIED! OMG!!!!

Seriously, though. They're in the business of obfuscation. I've said this before and I'll say it again, transparency is great for business working in a free-market economy but for a team in a team sport, it's not.

31 other teams are staring at them trying to get some hints and clues as to what they're thinking and what they're trying to do. The FO's job is to be inscrutable and to create smokescreens that cause other teams to misjudge what their actions are going to be.

I don't want my FO being up front and honest. I don't want them to tell me what they're thinking and what they're planning on doing. I don't want them to give me an injury report that's 100% accurate.
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Points given for using all bolded in same post.:chili:
 
Rey said:
He has NFL experience and is young and has been ok overall.
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If McCoy had been OK overall, the Browns wouldn't be replacing him. A good college QB whose skills weren't transferable to the pros. There's not a single good reason tio trade for McCoy. The Texans could not win with him at QB. I agree that the Texans need to find a vet to backup Schaub and Yates. McCoy isn't the answer.

Also, no on Vince Young. Before the other Horn fans start asking.
 
before keenum, i certainly would've traded for colt. despite the void of talent around him (no line, no runningbacks, no receivers, no tightends), colt's more than proven himself to be a capable pro quarterback IMO. a positive TD/INT should be impossible on the team he's been on, but yet he squeaked out 14/11. the only players he's had is an oversized dante hall and an injured diva at runningback. with an offense like the texans', i could definitely see him having a ton of success.
 
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