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Post game discussion - Jags @Texans

steelbtexan said:
It was only inconclusive because they wanted that call to stand.

You do know that the NFL officials over the replay at the home office have the ability to still shot things before they make a final decision.
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You have your opinion. I'll remain neutral until I see evidence enough to decide either way. And no. I don't know the inner workings of the NFL.
 
Number19 said:
You have your opinion. I'll remain neutral until I see evidence enough to decide either way. And no. I don't know the inner workings of the NFL.
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What evidence would it take to change your mind?

Would it have to be a Tim Donaghy tell all book for you to change your mind, because that's very unlikely to happen. This went on for yrs in the NBA before Donaghy's book. Probably still is, you know when Scott Foster is reffing a Chris Paul game bet the other team.
 
steelbtexan said:
Vegas/ TV runs the NFL these days.
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steelbtexan said:
Why? because the NFL has partnered with Vegas and Vegas losses big money if the Texans win the division.
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Vegas/draftkings probably makes $$$ if the Texans win the division. Most of the money was on the Jags to win. Little was on the Texans. But hey, carry on Don Quixote. Keep tilting those windmills.
 
Texansballer74 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1729506681548366100
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Texansballer74 said:
I believe the third quarter.
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6:36 of the 2nd quarter

JB said:
The ball wasn't in the air, can it be PI?
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Good question. 85 makes contact at the 24 before the ball is thrown. The TV feed then pans to the qb and the block is off screen. The pass is made a d the feed pans back to the receiver, the catch is made with the feed continuing to pan left. As the receiver starts to turn upfield you can see the LB on the ground at the 31 and 85 beginning to turn downfield.

You can't see it on the TV feed, but I would guess at some.point between the 24 and the 31, while the block is being made, the pass is thrown.

So, legal block or no.
 
Number19 said:
6:36 of the 2nd quarter


Good question. 85 makes contact at the 24 before the ball is thrown. The TV feed then pans to the qb and the block is off screen. The pass is made a d the feed pans back to the receiver, the catch is made with the feed continuing to pan left. As the receiver starts to turn upfield you can see the LB on the ground at the 31 and 85 beginning to turn downfield.

You can't see it on the TV feed, but I would guess at some.point between the 24 and the 31, while the block is being made, the pass is thrown.

So, legal block or no.
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It's irrelevant because 85 went on to trip up Too² while the ball was definitely in the air
 
Number19 said:
But the NFL has poked the hornets' nest when they climbed in bed with the gambling industry. There's already one law suit been filed for misconduct. If sucessful, more will follow. When the NFL begins to be held liable for a.dirty game, then changes will follow. It's all about the.money.
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This.

I'm not totally anti-gambling. I did some sports betting last season. But I am anti whatever the NFL is doing with its current gambling partnerships.

It's a trust issue. It's like your wife/gf spending too much time with a male co-worker. It doesn't mean she's cheating, but she shouldn't be creating situations that make you feel uncomfortable.

The NFL is spending too much time with Vegas. So now, when the refs throw a game lopsidedly, it's like your wife stayed out all night with that co-worker and the next morning tells you "Nothing happened! You're being paranoid!"
 
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Porky said:
Two days later, and I'm still pissed about the officiating. Usually, I see a bad call, I cuss it out...and then let it go. It usually works outself out in the wash. But this crew was so awful overall, and so obviously focused on the Texans DB's in particular that it cannot be overlooked. To hell with letting this go - I want a full-scale Congressional investigation. Give me the FBI, CIA, and CyOps! I will not let this go! I will die with this ****. My epitaph and tombstone will say F*** the Refs - 11/26/23
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The CIA is in on it. :tinfoil:

But yeah I'm still pissed too. I always let this stuff go. Bad calls are part of the game, but this one was too much.
 
JB said:
It's irrelevant because 85 went on to trip up Too² while the ball was definitely in the air
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Reading the definition of offensive pass interference, it's a period between the snap of the ball and the ball touching the receivers hands. So this definitely appears to be a rule violation.

What I didn't see addressed was blocking a player away from the play.

But the LB could have gotten outside to impact the play. If I have the definition correct, this should have been called.
 
Lucky said:
Vegas/draftkings probably makes $$$ if the Texans win the division. Most of the money was on the Jags to win. Little was on the Texans. But hey, carry on Don Quixote. Keep tilting those windmills.
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Keep telling yourself that.

Tell me this and I will break this down simply for you, does Vegas win or lose when there's an upset in the Superbowl?

Same principles apply here.
 
Lucky said:
Like JB says.

What you don't know about gambling is astounding in this day and age. But good for you. It's a vice that is not for everyone. Stay gold, Ponyboy.
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Good to know that no matter how you bet or how much you bet doesn't matter.

But you're right I'm not foolish enough to bet on a rigged league. So yes, I'm a dumbazz.
 
Lucky said:
Everything Vegas does with lines/odds is to have equal $$$ on both sides. Vegas doesn't gamble.
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Have you ever read about Vegas losing? I have

Guess when they lose? When upsets happen. Example not football related: Tyson vs Douglas.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes it was a tricky tack call. It was probably 4th or 5th on the list of Ricky tack or bad calls that went against the Texans. If you believe that's a coincidence then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Look at the odds of the Jags winning the division vs the odds of the Texans winning the division before the season started if you want an answer for why that game was called the way it was. Vegas/ TV runs the NFL these days. It's why they've changed so many rules to make things more subjective so the refs can control the outcomes of games. This has been going on for years but it's only gotten worse over the last 3-4 years.

Look at last years Chiefs/Bengals playoff game to see what the NFL is really all about. Only a fool would bet their hard earned money on a NFL game.
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So it was Rick Smith's fault all along, I should have known!!!
 
steelbtexan said:
Have you ever read about Vegas losing? I have

Guess when they lose? When upsets happen. Example not football related: Tyson vs Douglas.
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I don't know what to tell you. Other than you are wrong. It is not in Vegas, the NFL, or anyone involved interests to knowingly influence the outcomes of games. It's blatantly against their interests and they all do everything in their power to prevent such a thing from occuring.

Refereeing a pro football game is hard. Too hard for some trying to referee games. That's the problem. Occam's Razor.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know what to tell you. Other than you are wrong. It is not in Vegas, the NFL, or anyone involved interests to knowingly influence the outcomes of games. It's blatantly against their interests and they all do everything in their power to prevent such a thing from occuring.

Refereeing a pro football game is hard. Too hard for some trying to referee games. That's the problem. Occam's Razor.
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Like I said keep telling yourself that. I know you truly believe this. I've provided you an example where Vegas loses.

And no it's not hard if the league office fixes the mistakes. For some reason they're not fixing the mistakes. We can agree to disagree as to why they aren't correcting the mistakes. After all the league office sees the replays in all different views and can use still shots. They're rigging games and there's no doubt in my mind that Vegas and the NFL are in cahoots.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Have you ever read about Vegas losing? I have

Guess when they lose? When upsets happen. Example not football related: Tyson vs Douglas.
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You do know that most people bet on Tyson so when Douglas beat him most people lost not the casinos.

The Mirage hotel in Las Vegas won about $300,000 on the Tyson-Douglas fight. Despite the 42-1 odds in favor of Tyson, many big bettors put so much money on Tyson that the hotel ended up winning a significant amount on the bout.

It took about a $93,000 bet on Tyson to win $3,000.
 
Las Vegas suffers losses as well as having big wins. Equal money coming in a both sides is their ideal because they will still make money. The spreads on football games can be uncannily sharp. "Smart money" looks for an edge, an error in the spread.

What scares the books the most is the 4, 5, 6, 7+ team parlay that hits. It's a low money bet that can have an astronomical payout.
 
You can't forget about our buddy Mattress Mack who made a series of bets amounting to $10 million on the Astros to win the World Series and when the Astros won their second World Series McIngvale took home $75 million – widely reported to be the largest payout in the history of sports betting.
 
Generally I really hate the ‘blame the refs’ thing that goes on in sports, I see my kid’s soccer coach giving it that on a Saturday morning and think it sets an awful example, but there were a strange number of egregiously wrong calls made during this game, even the spot of the ball for the FG was about a yard further back than the previous play, Tank had a ton of yards called back for two calls that should have gone the other way, and it’s easy to get all conspiracy theorist with how the NFL is pushing the Jags to become the home team in London.
 
I don't believe in conspiracies or deliberate fixing of games. While it's certainly possible, I don't think it would continue to work over time without being found out. What I think is happening is what has always happened, refs making incorrect calls that change the outcome of games. It's now going to get dicey quickly because of the gambling. I can't wait for it to totally screw the NFL and cause it to make some really major changes.
 
Thorn said:
I don't believe in conspiracies or deliberate fixing of games. While it's certainly possible, I don't think it would continue to work over time without being found out. What I think is happening is what has always happened, refs making incorrect calls that change the outcome of games. It's now going to get dicey quickly because of the gambling. I can't wait for it to totally screw the NFL and cause it to make some really major changes.
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That's what they said about the NBA before Donaghy's book came out.
 
re: corrupt officiating, one stat to keep an eye on is 1st downs from penalty. If the other team seems to get a lot of 1st downs from penalty, that can qualify as a real eye-brow raiser.

I once did a study back in the day - might still be here somewhere in the archives: I looked at 1st downs from penalty in Texans vs. Colts games in Indy over (I think) a 4 or 5 year period. This was back when Peyton Manning was the QB (everyone loves Peyton, right?). Anyhoo, the tally was like 19 for the Colts, 4 for the Texans. Significantly lopsided. Nothing like a free first down to keep a drive alive, eh?

BTW, last Sunday's Texans vs. Jags game was 4 for the Jags, 1 for the Texans.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I'm with you I didn't like the call, but that clip doesn't show the entire play (from when Dell starts in motion) Dell began his motion before Collins was set... I believe that is what they called. e.g. Nico's foot is still going back (not set) when Dell starts to move... it's milliseconds.

Not my best grab, but no more time to mess with it tonight. New all 22 is horrible - makes it more difficult to get screen grabs of the plays.

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Dammmmmmit!!!!! Tie goes to the runner even in football.

Shiiiiite, we’re barely able to catch and agree on this in slow-motion, yet somehow these back judges needed all that extra time (after the play) to throw a flag.
 
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