usernameJJ
Waterboy
That's how bad the officiating was. They can't even spot a ball correctly in a most crucial part of the game! Amedola didn't even need a yard, only a few inches
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Post game discussion - Jags @Texans
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Yeh, if we're talking about the spot, I agree it was a bad spot. The ball was clearly at the 39 at 1:03. Collins' feet were at 39 1/2.
Stroud chose to throw the ball to an open receiver. He missed the throw. There were other guys he could have thrown too and with the Texans lack of ability to throw the ball, running the ball for a 1st down wasn't a given.
Also no timeouts.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I didn't think time was the issue at that point.
Get a first down and make a few yards and you put pressure on their D while giving yourself more options and chances.
Time was a factor if the goal was to get in reasonable FG range. A short run or a QB sneak would have taken time to unpile, and not left much time to get further downfield. I just believe in putting the ball in the hands of your best player. Heck, I would have passed the ball on 4th & 12 instead of going for the FG.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
CJ was sacked 4 times and hit 7 - one of which could have been disastrous when his ankle got rolled on and he was limping for a minute.
We got to get better at protecting him.
We got to get better at protecting him.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Even 1 yard and spike the ball with the same kick we tie the game with a chance to win in OT.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I know one sack was on Howard and one on Tunsil. Who were the other two on?
And Lawrence was only hit twice. Among all of the other things that went on in the game, that stood out.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Good q.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I mentioned earlier in the thread that we couldn't get pressure on Lawrence.
That has to change.
TejasTom
All Pro
I think one was on a blitz I thought Singletary should have picked up but he didn't even look. He just headed to the flat.
Jags lost their left tackle and we still couldn't get pressure.
Josh Allen had a career-high QB pressures against Tunsil.
We need better receivers. Tank is good. But CJ needs guys that can get separation off the line for this scheme to work. And a consistent run game to set up play action.
Online, Dline, and secondary need some better talent, too.
It's all symbiotic. Better WRs let CJ get the ball out to negate the rush. Run game makes play action work, which forces defenses into picking their poison.
It feels like the offense rarely dictates and dominates. CJ can only carry so much weight. He needs players around him that do not require him to make up their shortcomings.
All that said, this team is way ahead of even my most optimistic hopes.
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Online, Dline, and secondary need some better talent, too.
It's all symbiotic. Better WRs let CJ get the ball out to negate the rush. Run game makes play action work, which forces defenses into picking their poison.
It feels like the offense rarely dictates and dominates. CJ can only carry so much weight. He needs players around him that do not require him to make up their shortcomings.
All that said, this team is way ahead of even my most optimistic hopes.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Texans are still a team in the middle of rebuilding itself. We should all keep that in mind and quit expecting a few good outings to be the norm just yet, because it isn't. At the pace they're improving, I would think that next year we should be just about as competitive as anybody else. Given ofcourse we nail the draft again like we did this year.
Quit expecting to much to soon, because it isn't going to happen. But with DeMeco and Stroud it will happen, just probably not this year.
Quit expecting to much to soon, because it isn't going to happen. But with DeMeco and Stroud it will happen, just probably not this year.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
If the playoffs are in sight the the fans should push their expectations up because you know the players have. The players see the chance at playoffs so we should too.
We are done with the rebuild. That ended the moment we said we are fighting for playoffs this year.
This off-season we adding pieces not for a rebuild - but to make a deep playoff push.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I like this mindset.
Cj plays with so much anticipation that it's hard to tell what he calls "open"
I know Josh Allen is a dude, but Tunsil is supposed to be as well. Hopefully he's still having issues with his knee & that explains his performance, but this was a bad game for him.
You thought he played badly.
Tytus Howard was repeatedly getting destroyed within a second by there DL. He was responsible for several broken plays. I have to assume his nagging injury was the culprit.
But I have some GREAT news.
Juice Scruggs Pass PRO was MUCH better than Howards. It sounds crazy, but the Texans got an upgrade in Pro there.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He didn’t have time to motion it as catch. Because the other ref was running full speed to tell him it wasn’t. The official closest to play hesitated
He spotted it and waved his arms as if it was a completed catch with the ball out of bounds. He made a call. Got talked out of it.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Scruggs also better in run blocking.
Against the Jags the run blocking grades were: Tunsil (65.3) ; Scruggs (61.8) ; Deiter (65.0) ; Mason (61.1) ; Fant (38.0).
Pass blocking : Tunsil (71.7) ; Scruggs (56.5) ; Deiter (52.3) ; Mason (64.3) ; Fant (73.8).
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don't need to see Tavierre Thomas anymore. Yeah he got jobbed by the refs on 2 straight horrid PI calls but, he's just not good in that slot CB position against smaller & quicker guys. Funny thing is, Thomas is supposed to be in there b/c of how useful he is against the run being a bigger guy, but Desmond King came up with perhaps the biggest hit of the game when he stopped Etienne cold on the 4th & goal right before the half. I didn't even know we'd got King back until that play lol. He needs to be our nickel guy..Thomas can get on that pine.
Singletary needs to be the starter. Love Pierce but its clear Singletary is the better fit.
Tootoo - is not a starter.
Pitre is not a cover safety. 3 weeks back to back where teams have targeted him. This week he got lucky that the refs were ass cheeks and Stingley was behind him to snag that pick. Otherwise, that was a terrible display of coverage.
Slowik. I love Tank, I think he & CJ have ridiculous chemistry, but i feel like we're targeting him too much at the expense of other guys who could help keep defenses off balance. Schultz has completely disappeared in the offense over the last 2 games and Nico until the 2nd half of yesterday's game had also disappeared. I'd also like to see more targets for Metchie & Hutchinson. I know there's only 1 ball, but i just feel like there are times our offense bogs down b/c we're looking for him too much. Maybe its CJ and not Slowik targeting him so much but whomever it is, they need to adjust.
Also for all the greatness that CJ has exhibited over this season, he has to work on his deep ball & he HAS to learn how to throw it away. That last drive he took some pretty awful sacks. and considering that Amendola missed by literally inches, perhaps just eliminating 1 of those sacks, might've had him closer to his comfort zone and we're able to tie it up & go to OT.
WAJ/Greenard...come on fellas. That game was ours for the taking if just 1 of you showed up in the 1st half. Greenard in particular has been absent since the Carolina game..I can't think of a single impact play run or pass that he's made since that game. WAJ is drawing most of the doubles and chips so Greenard should be able to tee off and he's not showing up to make the opposition pay for that.
Demeco - little too aggressive too early in the 4th. I would've liked to see him punt it on that drive before the TD drive in the 4th qtr that got us to within 3.
Singletary needs to be the starter. Love Pierce but its clear Singletary is the better fit.
Tootoo - is not a starter.
Pitre is not a cover safety. 3 weeks back to back where teams have targeted him. This week he got lucky that the refs were ass cheeks and Stingley was behind him to snag that pick. Otherwise, that was a terrible display of coverage.
Slowik. I love Tank, I think he & CJ have ridiculous chemistry, but i feel like we're targeting him too much at the expense of other guys who could help keep defenses off balance. Schultz has completely disappeared in the offense over the last 2 games and Nico until the 2nd half of yesterday's game had also disappeared. I'd also like to see more targets for Metchie & Hutchinson. I know there's only 1 ball, but i just feel like there are times our offense bogs down b/c we're looking for him too much. Maybe its CJ and not Slowik targeting him so much but whomever it is, they need to adjust.
Also for all the greatness that CJ has exhibited over this season, he has to work on his deep ball & he HAS to learn how to throw it away. That last drive he took some pretty awful sacks. and considering that Amendola missed by literally inches, perhaps just eliminating 1 of those sacks, might've had him closer to his comfort zone and we're able to tie it up & go to OT.
WAJ/Greenard...come on fellas. That game was ours for the taking if just 1 of you showed up in the 1st half. Greenard in particular has been absent since the Carolina game..I can't think of a single impact play run or pass that he's made since that game. WAJ is drawing most of the doubles and chips so Greenard should be able to tee off and he's not showing up to make the opposition pay for that.
Demeco - little too aggressive too early in the 4th. I would've liked to see him punt it on that drive before the TD drive in the 4th qtr that got us to within 3.
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PFF is borderline one of us grading it out.
I watched all of CJ's Pass pro. Scruggs had two plays where the DL got under his pads, but the ball was long gone or he slowed them up enough. He shut down there tackle that was abusing Howard. It was much much better than Howard.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
We're done with the rebuild?? LMAO.
Expectations are one thing. Living in fantasy land is another. This team won 3 games last year. This year they've got a QB playing at a level NO ONE expected. Sure, being in the chase at the end of November is fun and exciting but expecting that this team is a legit playoff contender is really going above and beyond. And this team is FAR from the rebuilding being done.
The Texans played the NFC South this year, a division whose leader right now is 5-6, clearly the worst division in the league, and the Texans go 2-2 against them. Hell, they're 1-2 against their own division so far. They ain't there yet.
Number19
Hall of Fame
You see what you want to see. But the second ref was also waving his hands over his head as he was running toward the spot. The first ref motioned with his left hand and fingers for a conference. They put their heads together a couple of seconds, the second ref shakes his head ever so slightly, before the first ref then signals incomplete followed by the second ref signaling out of bounds. There was never any indication first ref signaled completion and was overruled. In fact, first ref had his whistle in his mouth until shortly before conferring with second ref.
My take is the first ref made the call after confirming with second ref. First ref was 6 yds from the catch. Second ref was out of the picture at the 31, 20 yds away.
Agree about everything but Thomas. He's been good this yr and like you said got jobbed yesterday. All of the secondary guys have been weak, I think they will look much better when Ward gets healthy. TooToo isn't a starter but he's a good depth piece.
Bottom line is they missed the call and replay should've overturned the call, but for reasons unknown didn't.
Is that going to happen? Getting more safety depth (and a starter) is imperative this offseason.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Well, my TV is a rather old 4k. Don't know what the networks have or what superior resolution shows, but the replay stop action on my TV is not conclusive enough to overturn.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The only thing i take even remotely serious having to do with PFF is this guy...
. Everything else about that shitty website is trash imo.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Well, I for one don't have the time or means or expertise to watch and grade every single player, every single play in every single game, and then rate the players accordingly.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Ehh, no. There have been 2 liabilities in the secondary this year, Pitre is 1, Thomas is the other. Yesterday was probably Nelson's worst game of the season mostly b/c of the 1 big play he gave up to Kirk & Stingley, while he missed a ton of games, since he's been back, he's been pretty solid creating TO's and coming up with big pass defenses late when they've needed them.
No DB is gonna be perfect and not give up a few catches here and there, its the big plays you gotta limit & Thomas is giving up way too many big plays. I get it, he got jobbed on at least 1 of those PI's, but the other was legit and of course the TD pass on 4th freakin down...it was just too damn easy for Lawrence.
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
Even the simping commentators couldn't justify the holding call on Nelson.
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
From what I saw, he looked good out there, which was encouraging because he's probably going to have to start this week.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
They have RFID chips in every NFL ball already, started in 2015, they're just not using it the way they could. The USFL uses laser tech (Bolt6) to check spots to the millimeter after the refs spot it. Its a very valid question as to why they're not using the tech that is out there and IN USE right now. Makes you wonder.......
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
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Thank you Speedy !
I appreciate the optimistic comments from some of the other posters but time to come back down to earth fellas and lose the pollyana mentality because we've still got work to do: the Jags have completed their rebuild and are now a P/O team & contender whereas we are in full rebuild mode.
One big thing we have on them as Speedy pointed out CJ's development is happening much more rapidly than Lawrence's did.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Does anyone have all 22 and can comment on Dell's illegal shift penalty.
On the TV, to start the play, there is a tight shot of Texans #70 (Scruggs) and Jags #95. Someone then crosses the screen in motion just behind the OL. It's blurry and you can't read a number.
The TV shot then switches to full field view with Dell in motion.. The H-back is set on the right.
Could the blurry in motion player have been the H-back changing sides from the left to the right?
If two players go in motion, then BOTH must come to a set position for 1 sec. Dell never comes to a set position.
So, does the all 22 show the H-back as the second player in motion?
This explanation is the only thing which makes any sense.
On the TV, to start the play, there is a tight shot of Texans #70 (Scruggs) and Jags #95. Someone then crosses the screen in motion just behind the OL. It's blurry and you can't read a number.
The TV shot then switches to full field view with Dell in motion.. The H-back is set on the right.
Could the blurry in motion player have been the H-back changing sides from the left to the right?
If two players go in motion, then BOTH must come to a set position for 1 sec. Dell never comes to a set position.
So, does the all 22 show the H-back as the second player in motion?
This explanation is the only thing which makes any sense.
Nico Collins never finished getting set once Dell started his motion. Extremely ticky tack.
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Apparently they dont have the time either.
It's much harder to rig games when technology is used correctly.
I will admit I'm terrible at evaluating CB play.
Number19
Hall of Fame
If Dell starts in motion before Collins is set, this is not ticky tak, it's a mistake that Dell must correct.
Terrible play to learn from.
Am I the only one who gets extremely nervous every time CJ does that spin around in the pocket? It might be an effective move when you're in the grasp of a defender, but he does it often with the slightest hint of pressure. It seems like a lot of wasted motion which gives defenders more time to close in.