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Rosevelt Colvin Signed

TexanSam said:
But then we still have Richard Smith :(
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Go crap on someone elses heart. OK???? I'm watching Holyfield and Bowe fight right now. I don't need this crap. I have 2 X wives and a current wife to crap on my dreams. Just go with it, brother!!!!! Feel the sacks!!!!!
 
DocBar said:
Go crap on someone elses heart. OK???? I'm watching Holyfield and Bowe fight right now. I don't need this crap. I have 2 X wives and a current wife to crap on my dreams. Just go with it, brother!!!!! Feel the sacks!!!!!
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Hope you're right. I hope that our defense has had a lack of big plays and sacks due to having the wrong personnel instead of it being the defensive coordinator's fault. Hopefully if we have Richard Smith we'll become a good defensive team. The biggest problem with our D has been the lack of a consistent pass rush. Hopefully with Kalu, Cochran, (hopefully) a better Weaver, and possibly Colvin we'll fix that gaping hole opposite Mario Williams.

I do have a good feeling about our D. I think Zac Diles and Xavier Adibi are going to help a lot. And I think Molden is going to be like Fred Bennett was last year as a rookie. If our D plays well the beginning of the season, then I can't wait to see it once Dunta Robinson comes back!
 
I think our D has had a combination of wrong/young personnel AND a cooridinator that lacks faith in the talent of the D. It has been mentioned several times that Smith "dumbed down" the D because of personnel. Like most of the posters on here, I have no clear idea what Smith's philosphy is. I DO believe that the talent of this D will prevail. We have some very good people in place that want to win and can digest the scheme of Smith, if indeed there is one.
 
DiehardChris said:
Season...........Total games played

1999..............5
2000..............12
2001..............16
2002..............16
2003..............2
2004..............16
2005..............16
2006..............16
2007..............11

I'd hardly consider him injury 'plagued'. He was fine for three years until last season's foot injury. These are Rotoworld's stats, so I assume they're accurate.
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I added his tackles and sacks from ESPN.com. The number in parenthesis is games played by their account.

1999...........5(11)..11......2.0
2000..........12(13)..32......3.0
2001..........16......70.....10.5
2002..........16......64.....10.5
2003...........2.......3......2.0
2004..........16......32......5.0
2005..........16......61......7.0
2006..........16......55......8.5
2007..........11......27......4.0

Its probably just me being paranoid because of last season's "Ahman Green experience", but one does wonder why N.E. is willing to let him walk...? Is he just testing the waters so he and N.E. will have a starting point for a new contract?
Are we being played?
 
ObsiWan said:
I added his tackles and sacks from ESPN.com. The number in parenthesis is games played by their account.

1999...........5(11)..11......2.0
2000..........12(13)..32......3.0
2001..........16......70.....10.5
2002..........16......64.....10.5
2003...........2.......3......2.0
2004..........16......32......5.0
2005..........16......61......7.0
2006..........16......55......8.5
2007..........11......27......4.0

Its probably just me being paranoid because of last season's "Ahman Green experience", but one does wonder why N.E. is willing to let him walk...? Is he just testing the waters so he and N.E. will have a starting point for a new contract?
Are we being played?
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N.E. is well known for letting quality, older players walk when their contract demands exceed what N.E. is willing to pay. I think that could be a factor.
 
TexanSam said:
But then we still have Richard Smith :(
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I think people are overly critical of Richard Smith, our D has had a lot of injuries and was still transitioning out of the 3-4 set of personnel, hopefully this year things will finally click and we can see the system as Smith envisions it.

Like a lot of things in life building something great takes time and if you keep on knocking out the foundation and starting again, you will never get anything accomplished. Lets see how he goes with the defense this year with more pieces in place, a better understanding of the system and less injuries (knock on wood).
 
Colvin still has big play ability and athleticism despite his age. If I remember correctly he was the Pats linebacker who intercepted Manning to seal the game against the Colts last year.
 
Zierlein seems pretty confident Colvin will be a Texan by the looks of his answer to this question.

LZ,

Great job as always. Keep it coming. What your thoughts on the Texans possibly signing Roosevelt Colvin? Anything new on Charles Spencer?

I think, if he's healthy, Colvin will be a Houston Texan. He can still get off the ball quickly and I think he's probably more of a pass rushing 3rd down specialist.
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You can listen to his podcast too.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2008/06/post_52.html
 
Well I sure do hope he comes. I think he is more of a finisher and will help our D get to the QB alot.
 
DiehardChris said:
Yeah - if joining the best team was his #1 interest, he would have signed with the Colts last month, assuming they made him an offer.
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He's got his two rings. Not saying that he wouldn't want another, but I get the feeling that he's looking for the sweetest deal possible to end his career.

Aside from the Colts/Texans, Colvin reportedly has potential suitors in the Browns and the Jets. He played under both Crennel and Mangini when they were defensive coordinators under Belichick.
 
SOLIS said:
He's got his two rings. Not saying that he wouldn't want another, but I get the feeling that he's looking for the sweetest deal possible to end his career.

Aside from the Colts/Texans, Colvin reportedly has potential suitors in the Browns and the Jets. He played under both Crennel and Mangini when they were defensive coordinators under Belichick.
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Yeah, that's kind of what bothers me... he has a NFL connection in some way to all the teams, except Houston. (I don't count the Rick Smith/Purdue thing - that's kind of a stretch).

Plus - if he's looking for the sweetest deal - there's an even less likely chance we'll get him than if he's looking for the best winning situation.

You would think another big factor would be playing time. I don't see him getting on the field as much with the Colts as he could with the other teams mentioned... so that might work in our favor.
 
You would think another big factor would be playing time. I don't see him getting on the field as much with the Colts as he could with the other teams mentioned... so that might work in our favor.
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Normally I would think that a player would try to get as much playing time because of the money involved. Better playing time = better stats = better leverage come contract time. But seeing how Rosevelt is coming off an injury and looking to land somewhere that will most likely be his last stop, I think he'll go for the most cash - regardless of playing time. But that's just my two cents.

Now he could be an ego maniac who demands significant minutes, and if that's the case, it blows my take out of the water...
 
I think we can offer him the PT and money. I also think that Smith isn't going to open the vault for this guy either, especially with the possibility of a Hayward or Spicer being available to us.
 
DiehardChris said:
Yeah, that's kind of what bothers me... he has a NFL connection in some way to all the teams, except Houston. (I don't count the Rick Smith/Purdue thing - that's kind of a stretch).

Plus - if he's looking for the sweetest deal - there's an even less likely chance we'll get him than if he's looking for the best winning situation.

You would think another big factor would be playing time. I don't see him getting on the field as much with the Colts as he could with the other teams mentioned... so that might work in our favor.
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I don't know, there's sort of a lifetime bond formed with College friends/acquaintances. Especially if you were to get involved with a fraternity.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I don't know, there's sort of a lifetime bond formed with College friends/acquaintances. Especially if you were to get involved with a fraternity.
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That's a fair point - but Rick Smith isn't a coach. It's not the same as having a former mentor/coach like Mangini or Crennel right there with you on the field.

Despite all that though - I would think Indy would still be most attractive to him... it's his hometown and they're by far the best team in the running.

I wonder what kind of guaranteed money he's looking for. That's got to be the sticking point.
 
DiehardChris said:
That's a fair point - but Rick Smith isn't a coach. It's not the same as having a former mentor/coach like Mangini or Crennel right there with you on the field.

Despite all that though - I would think Indy would still be most attractive to him... it's his hometown and they're by far the best team in the running.

I wonder what kind of guaranteed money he's looking for. That's got to be the sticking point.
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I hear ya, and don't necessarily disagree with you.

I agree. Considering he's from Indy.

I assume it's more than what teams are offering him. Like someone said earlier, I think he's looking to cash out before retirement. IMO, the Texans wouldn't give him more than a 2 year contract.
 
rotoworld


ESPN's John Clayton believes the Texans have the best chance of landing free agent LB Roosevelt Colvin.
Clayton says the Colts have assembled enough pass rushers that they don't need him rigt now. Colvin would have a better chance for playing time in Houston where their linebackers struggle to rush the passer.
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Just do it like Michael Jordan!:fans:
 
PHAROAH said:
Any news on R. Colvin?
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I suppose if he's still in Houston, then no news is good news.

EDIT: ^^^^^Or that could be good as well. Yesterday "Pancakes" McClain was saying on 610 that he thinks the deal will end up getting done with Colvin coming to Houston.

While I like the idea of an edge rushing linebacker, we better not break the bank for him.
 
badboy said:
If Colvin makes roster, who gets cut?
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How about a real answer to the man's question. No more - I hate Weaver (or whoever) so kick him out. Realistically, which LB hits the road if Colvin signs here? Here's the HT.com roster listing of LBs.
52...Adibi, Xavier* (may get squirreled away on IR)
57...Bentley, Kevin (may make it as S/T'er)
53...Coley, Kevis
54...Diles, Zac
56...Greenwood, Morlon <--- Shantee Orr was dumped last year, could it be Greenwood's time this year?
60...Moffitt, Ben*
61...Richardson, Marcus*
59...Ryans, DeMeco
51...Thompson, Chaun
* indicates rookie

Assuming we keep six, who stays and who goes? I think Greenwood may be sweating this signing.
What say you?
 
ObsiWan said:
How about a real answer to the man's question. No more - I hate Weaver (or whoever) so kick him out. Realistically, which LB hits the road if Colvin signs here? Here's the HT.com roster listing of LBs.
52...Adibi, Xavier* (may get squirreled away on IR)
57...Bentley, Kevin (may make it as S/T'er)
53...Coley, Kevis
54...Diles, Zac
56...Greenwood, Morlon <--- Shantee Orr was dumped last year, could it be Greenwood's time this year?
60...Moffitt, Ben*
61...Richardson, Marcus*
59...Ryans, DeMeco
51...Thompson, Chaun
* indicates rookie

Assuming we keep six, who stays and who goes? I think Greenwood may be sweating this signing.
What say you?
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I really think if we keep 6 and Colvin has to be one of them then I think it goes Greenwood, Ryans, Diles, Colvin, Thompson, Adibi/Moffit and whoever doesn't do as well on the practice field out of the last two will go to IR.

EDIT: After thinking about this for about 3 minutes I realize that Thompson and Colvin are probably interchangeable and Thompson is probably sweating this signing more than anybody. Still, linebackers who can rush the passer are a commodity and I'm sticking to my guns here.
 
Since Colvin is going to be used as a pass rusher, I think ND Kalu and Earl Cochran would be the ones with their job on the line.
 
What's Greenwood's cap number ?

They expose adibi, they are liable to lose him. I was wrong about Frye last year. Might squeeze adibi through waivers.

If they drafted Moffit with an eye for him to take Mike anderon's place on ST, that would make him practice squad eligible. Not practice squad practical. LB slots are going to be some of the hardest cuts.
 
Not sure exactly - but Greenwood's got one of the biggest - if not the biggest - cap number on the team. I think the only guy who might have a bigger one (are you sitting down?) is Anthony Weaver.

There's no way Adibi would clear wavers. He's either on the roster, or they'll fake him on to the IR.
 
b0ng said:
I suppose if he's still in Houston, then no news is good news.

EDIT: ^^^^^Or that could be good as well. Yesterday "Pancakes" McClain was saying on 610 that he thinks the deal will end up getting done with Colvin coming to Houston.

While I like the idea of an edge rushing linebacker, we better not break the bank for him.
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don't worry about breaking the bank. mcnair has plenty of money and the salary cap is a joke now with the uncapped year and with a possibility of no more salary cap with the next collective bargaining agreement.

if McNair can spend a hundred million dollars on losers like Carr and no one complained about it, why not spend a few million on a quality player like Colvin? I would rather get someone who can actually play than some garbage like we have been given in the past in FA.

Colvin's recent injuries do worry me though and I do agree that we shouldnt overpay but the bottom line is we are going to have to pay because there is a demand out there for quality players.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
don't worry about breaking the bank. mcnair has plenty of money and the salary cap is a joke now with the uncapped year and with a possibility of no more salary cap with the next collective bargaining agreement.

if McNair can spend a hundred million dollars on losers like Carr and no one complained about it, why not spend a few million on a quality player like Colvin? I would rather get someone who can actually play than some garbage like we have been given in the past in FA.
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You're right that McNair doesn't have a problem spending the cash on players, but I don't know if all of the owners are going to be cool with an uncapped year (I can only think of Jerry Jones and maybe Al Davis being on board with that).

I look at the salary cap and I see Anthony Weaver, and Morlon Greenwood making the most against the cap and it just makes me cry. I could see Colvin being another guy like that if they completely break down and let the dude get whatever he demands, and I don't want to see that.
 
The Texans, if they obtain Colvin, may very well alternate his assignments from OLB to DE (book end to Mario). I can remember the Pats using him in some defensive sets as a DE..........and he didn't look too shabby.
 
b0ng said:
I really think if we keep 6 and Colvin has to be one of them then I think it goes Greenwood, Ryans, Diles, Colvin, Thompson, Adibi/Moffit and whoever doesn't do as well on the practice field out of the last two will go to IR.

EDIT: After thinking about this for about 3 minutes I realize that Thompson and Colvin are probably interchangeable and Thompson is probably sweating this signing more than anybody. Still, linebackers who can rush the passer are a commodity and I'm sticking to my guns here.
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I thought Thompson was brought in because he represented an upgrade in speed; not only as a pass rusher but also in coverage. What's the scoop on Colvin as far as coverage goes?
 
ObsiWan said:
I thought Thompson was brought in because he represented an upgrade in speed; not only as a pass rusher but also in coverage. What's the scoop on Colvin as far as coverage goes?
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I was under the impression that Thompson was brought in because he had pass rushing skills and might even put his hand down at times. Which is supposedly the same thing I've read/heard about Colvin, except that Colvin might be quicker with the pass rush itself.

Colvin's coverage, I have no earthly clue about.
 
BornOrange said:
Since Colvin is going to be used as a pass rusher, I think ND Kalu and Earl Cochran would be the ones with their job on the line.
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Well, the great thing about this scenario is we could eliminate the weakest player out of : LB, DE, or DT, because of Weaver, Thompson, and Colvin's flexibility. I doubt Colvin's signing has any impact in Thompson making the team, his ability to play all three LB positions and DE still have value- along with his age, athleticism, and small cap number.
 
threetoedpete said:
What's Greenwood's cap number ?

They expose adibi, they are liable to lose him. I was wrong about Frye last year. Might squeeze adibi through waivers.

If they drafted Moffit with an eye for him to take Mike anderon's place on ST, that would make him practice squad eligible. Not practice squad practical. LB slots are going to be some of the hardest cuts.
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http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2008.html

Greenwood, Morlon contract through 2009

Base =$4,017,000

Guaranteed= $1,400,000

Total= $5,517,000
 
Adibi gets a spot or he is lost, Moffit won't make the team but the guy was good in college so if he shows up he will be PS and the rest are obvious except Greenwood, I mean he isn't 5 million dollars good but he is still capable.
 
b0ng said:
You're right that McNair doesn't have a problem spending the cash on players, but I don't know if all of the owners are going to be cool with an uncapped year (I can only think of Jerry Jones and maybe Al Davis being on board with that).

I look at the salary cap and I see Anthony Weaver, and Morlon Greenwood making the most against the cap and it just makes me cry. I could see Colvin being another guy like that if they completely break down and let the dude get whatever he demands, and I don't want to see that.
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Well Weaver is expensive because he has potential and he is so young. he had also shown good signs in the Ravens defense when playing but that defense is much more aggressive and was really kickin ass then. Greenwood was a bad signing period. If you go back and look at the Greenwood signing thread, you will find a lot of 'WTF?!? how much did we spend on this guy'....even Dolphins fans were coming over and saying that we overpaid greatly...just another Asserley move though...nothing new

that being said, Greenwood probably had his most productive year as a Texan last year and started to at least play somewhat near what he costs.

i agree with ya though bong. i dont want them to break the bank either because that just inflates everyones, but the cap-free year is pretty much a certainty for at least one year if not possibly abolished. They will probably institute some sort of luxury task soft cap which would please the players and appease the owners whose markets are small.
 
Is it just me or after a few players when media outlets say we're the front runner for a player and a signing is imminent they go sign another team?

For some reason every minute that goes by since LZ and Mcclain said we're most likely signing Colvin makes me think Colvin isn't coming here. If he would've we would've already signed him like we do other players that visited and immediately signed or signed the next day.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Is it just me or after a few players when media outlets say we're the front runner for a player and a signing is imminent they go sign another team?

For some reason every minute that goes by since LZ and Mcclain said we're most likely signing Colvin makes me think Colvin isn't coming here. If he would've we would've already signed him like we do other players that visited and immediately signed or signed the next day.
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Could be another vet trying to leverage a deal with us into a better deal elsewhere on a team they think could be more of a playoff team. They then have us as the "Plan B" so to speak.
 
I have not been able to find any source that characterizes Colvin's injury as anything but "severe foot injury." I would have to now believe that in addition to him possibly wanting a "sweet deal," the nature of his previous injury must have something to do with him not being immediately scooped up by teams.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Is it just me or after a few players when media outlets say we're the front runner for a player and a signing is imminent they go sign another team?

For some reason every minute that goes by since LZ and Mcclain said we're most likely signing Colvin makes me think Colvin isn't coming here. If he would've we would've already signed him like we do other players that visited and immediately signed or signed the next day.
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I've always thought that it was silly how many of you guys go into some severely indepth conversations about potential signings. Personally, I'd love to have Colvin on the team but I simply don't care about him. He's not a Houston Texan so until he becomes one... I'll just reserve the potential insight until then.

For what it's worth, I haven't heard anything about us being the 'front runner' in the Colvin sweepstakes at this time. I can't think that he would be a bad addition to our team in any way whatsoever.

Despite Greenwood's inflated contract, I don't believe that he's really keeping Rick Smith from doing his job effectively. Morlon Greenwood probably doesn't deserve the contract that he got but he's definitely playing some active football and is not sitting on the bench earning a fat paycheck. He's actually earning it. Greenwood is what I'd consider a 'safe' football player. He goes for the safe play. That's okay, guys. It really is. Our linebackers can't be going for the big play until they know that they can count on our secondary to pick up the slack and Morlon is the perfect player for this type of football.

It's time for a Rosevelt Colvin/Xavier Adibi type of player though. I'm ready for the big play but I like having the safe football player on our team.
 
NitroHonda said:
I've always thought that it was silly how many of you guys go into some severely indepth conversations about potential signings. Personally, I'd love to have Colvin on the team but I simply don't care about him. He's not a Houston Texan so until he becomes one... I'll just reserve the potential insight until then.

For what it's worth, I haven't heard anything about us being the 'front runner' in the Colvin sweepstakes at this time. I can't think that he would be a bad addition to our team in any way whatsoever.

Despite Greenwood's inflated contract, I don't believe that he's really keeping Rick Smith from doing his job effectively. Morlon Greenwood probably doesn't deserve the contract that he got but he's definitely playing some active football and is not sitting on the bench earning a fat paycheck. He's actually earning it. Greenwood is what I'd consider a 'safe' football player. He goes for the safe play. That's okay, guys. It really is. Our linebackers can't be going for the big play until they know that they can count on our secondary to pick up the slack and Morlon is the perfect player for this type of football.

It's time for a Rosevelt Colvin/Xavier Adibi type of player though. I'm ready for the big play but I like having the safe football player on our team.
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If Colvin signs than I doubt that Greenwood would be the first on the chopping block for the reasons you stated. I think the big question is can Colvin play DE and still successfuly get to the quaterback. If so than I think Weaver is gone.
 
V3rm0nt3r said:
If Colvin signs than I doubt that Greenwood would be the first on the chopping block for the reasons you stated. I think the big question is can Colvin play DE and still successfuly get to the quaterback. If so than I think Weaver is gone.
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Weaver's not going anywhere. Colvin signing puts pressure on the backend of the LB and DL rotation: Maddox, Buhlman, Kalu, Cochran, Bentley, etc... not the likely starter. Weaver would cost more to cut than to keep this year.
 
In terms of Weaver or Greenwood going anywhere, it seems pretty simple to me. Both of them were starters in 2007, and as of now, it appears both of them are starters in 2008 (I realize this could change, but that's the way it appears now).

The fact they are starters would indicate the coaches feel that they're better than any of the backups/rotation players. Unless you have a cap problem (which I do not believe the addition of Colvin or any other LB/DE we're likely to add would create), you cut the players you think are the least valuable, not those you've designated as starters.

Neither Greenwood or Weaver are going anywhere in '08.
 
dalemurphy said:
Weaver's not going anywhere. Colvin signing puts pressure on the backend of the LB and DL rotation: Maddox, Buhlman, Kalu, Cochran, Bentley, etc... not the likely starter. Weaver would cost more to cut than to keep this year.
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Yep. Neither Maddox, Kalu or Cochran are in any danger, if I know Kubiak (and I don't really).
 
dalemurphy said:
Weaver's not going anywhere. Colvin signing puts pressure on the backend of the LB and DL rotation: Maddox, Buhlman, Kalu, Cochran, Bentley, etc... not the likely starter. Weaver would cost more to cut than to keep this year.
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Weaver is set to make, an estimated 6.2 million this year and 6.2 again next year with 2.7 of that guaranteed each year. Now Colvin will likely bring a price tag worth noting and the next highest paid guy in your list is Bentley with 1.25 with 600k guaranteed. This will become a financial question and saving 3.5 million a year will look a hell of a lot better than 650k.
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Not to mention, that on HoustonTexans.com it was even brought up, in a news article about him regaining form, that during the offseason Smith had made it a priority to upgrade the pass rush although nobody was signed. Add to that that he was outsacked 3-1 by Kalu last year and has a career high of 5 sacks in a season.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4352
 
V3rm0nt3r said:
Weaver is set to make, an estimated 6.2 million this year and 6.2 again next year with 2.7 of that guaranteed each year. Now Colvin will likely bring a price tag worth noting and the next highest paid guy in your list is Bentley with 1.25 with 600k guaranteed. This will become a financial question and saving 3.5 million a year will look a hell of a lot better than 650k.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2008.html

Not to mention, that on HoustonTexans.com it was even brought up, in a news article about him regaining form, that during the offseason Smith had made it a priority to upgrade the pass rush although nobody was signed. Add to that that he was outsacked 3-1 by Kalu last year and has a career high of 5 sacks in a season.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4352
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Weaver, however, can also slide into DT. In addition, when you cut a player you free yourself of his salary but his entire bonus on the backend is accelerated into one season, or split into a second (without his services)... They aren't going to do that. Cutting Weaver in no way helps them sign or pay for Colvin in terms of the salary cap.
 
With the insurgence of Bulman and Okoye, and the new guy Okam, I think maybe Maddox, Bentley or Cochran will have alot tougher time making the team. One of them may not even make the 80 man roster. But who knows.
 
V3rm0nt3r said:
Weaver is set to make, an estimated 6.2 million this year and 6.2 again next year with 2.7 of that guaranteed each year. Now Colvin will likely bring a price tag worth noting and the next highest paid guy in your list is Bentley with 1.25 with 600k guaranteed. This will become a financial question and saving 3.5 million a year will look a hell of a lot better than 650k.
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Assuming that signing Colvin doesn't put us in jeopardy of exceeding the cap (Which we have a $9 Million-plus margin on right now), why would the Texans cut a starting DE for someone who most believe will be a part-time pass rush specialist?
 
I'm not so sure that Colvin wouldn't be a starter if he signs here. He was injured for the last 5 games and the playoffs last year, but the games he played he started (except for one).
 
dalemurphy said:
Weaver, however, can also slide into DT. In addition, when you cut a player you free yourself of his salary but his entire bonus on the backend is accelerated into one season, or split into a second (without his services)... They aren't going to do that. Cutting Weaver in no way helps them sign or pay for Colvin in terms of the salary cap.
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Not a big fan of Weaver moving inside. I don't think he did it this past year because he really wanted to nor did he look great much less effective. I also think our backups at DT this year look better then sliding him inside anyway.

I think this is Weaver's swan song this year unless he has some kind of year.

I'm not sure on Colvin signing here but one thing I'd like if he did is he might bring an attitude that makes this defense turn the proverbial corner. He's played in big games and won big games. There isn't a guy on this team on either side of the ball in the NFL that has done either.
 
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