ubecool454
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explain yaself swt.
He can't explain..goodpost:
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explain yaself swt.
we reached massively, and passed on cason and phillips. this WILL haunt us. Screw Gibbs.We reached for the 8th freaking tackle. I hate this.
Now this is a perfect example of why I say we have some of the most pitiful fans in the NFL..lol. This guy has to be one of the people that was against the Mario pick...lol I guess football was gone away from Houston for so long that the fans forgot how to be real fans...man back that pick up.
find another team
I know him via the board (not personally) and I think his behavior was an embarrassment to Texan fans out there. Thousands of people read this board worldwide. I felt it to be a poor representation of Texans fans overall.Know him before you judge him Ubecool.
SWT is a hardcore Texans fan expressing his dissappointment, he is well known around these parts and we understand him.
The pick was way out of left field and could be seen as a reach, time will tell but you need to respect that SWT is a passionate fan expressing himself passionately.
He really does but he also has the look of a fellow who has a learning disability. I'm sure I'm wrong but that's what I saw out of the interview.
Thanks Pencil. Also have to spread so couldn't rep you.
Now this is a perfect example of why I say we have some of the most pitiful fans in the NFL..lol. This guy has to be one of the people that was against the Mario pick...lol I guess football was gone away from Houston for so long that the fans forgot how to be real fans...man back that pick up.
Oh I saw that. His speaking ability appeared to be quite fluid when he was talking to Anna-Megan. I'm talking more so about his look. It really.... I don't know... a lot of people say that he looks mean... I don't feel scared of him by looking at him. I actually want to speak slowly to him (like half of the planet does with me. LMAO.) and maybe pat him on the head or something.Well, he was actually reasonably articulate so there was a lot going on in what you couldn't hear.
In short, nah. It's alright.
Know him before you judge him Ubecool.
SWT is a hardcore Texans fan expressing his dissappointment, he is well known around these parts and we understand him.
The pick was way out of left field and could be seen as a reach, time will tell but you need to respect that SWT is a passionate fan expressing himself passionately.
It looked like i was watching her boobs the entire interview. Not that, you know, that's a bad thing.
Lol. Not quite the #1 pick. If so... then they shouldn't be writing articles. I don't doubt Brown's potential but I would have never thought of him as a #1 selection. Ever. Not coming from Virginia Tech. A poor offensive team.Interesting column in sporting news:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=405215
Matt Hayes is already calling Jake Long a bust, and that Duane Brown should have been the #1 pick.
Interesting column in sporting news:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=405215
Matt Hayes is already calling Jake Long a bust, and that Duane Brown should have been the #1 pick.
Ill admit that I was surprised to see Duane called in the first. I thought we were targeting Chris Williams in the first and since he was drafted ahead of us we accepted the trade down to 26. I think the Texans let the run on tackles get to them, and personally feel that a 2nd trade down still would have netted them Duane Brown. But maybe the NFL teams thought of Brown as well as we did and were prepaired to take him with a later 1 or early 2.
Sometimes you just have to stay where you are and take your man rather than trade down and end up with a guy you didnt like as much.
Kubiak said that this is the player that he and Gibbs wanted all along. Albert, Williams and Brown were the Ot's they had their eye on coming in to this draft. They were actually thinking of trading back up to make sure they could get Brown.Sometimes you just have to stay where you are and take your man rather than trade down and end up with a guy you didnt like as much.
Kubiak said that this is the player that he and Gibbs wanted all along. Albert, Williams and Brown were the Ot's they had their eye on coming in to this draft. They were actually thinking of trading back up to make sure they could get Brown.
yeah i mean there is a clear line of deliniation here...either these guys are bald faced liars or they took the guy they dearly wanted among the top 63. I mean anyone thinks Kubes and Smith lack integrity...post that. I wanna see that s%$t .
What I'm thirilled about is that Smith called the shot. He knew what teams were going to take who. And instead of panicking, he pulled the trigger on a trade and got more picks. Last time we tried that we got punked. They know what they are doing. let it go.
Against Clemson, Brown released quickly and charged down the field as a punt fell out of the sky into the arms of C.J. Spiller, one of the faster players in the country. Brown squared him up with the sideline to his left, funeled him that way and made the tackle alone.
"He wasn't the only scared one," Brown said. "I was looking around, waiting for him to make a move. If he made one move, it could have got ugly. But I just tried to use the sideline as my friend. I knew if I had him in the open field, it wouldn't have been any kind of match."
The pick was not really that far out in left field. I read about Brown climbing the draft charts a day or two before the draft. I'm no expert by any means, in fact I am a total moron, so if I was reading about him (along with Gosder Cherilus), then you can be damn sure the NFL teams had him on their boards and were ready to grab him.
Don't invest too much in the words of Todd McShay, Lance Zierlein, John Harris, etc...What did they all say about Limas Sweed? Devin Thomas? Not only were both of these guys bested in the draft by Coog receiver Donnie Avery, there wasn't a single wideout taken in the entire first round.
What about Joe Flacco? How many experts had him going in the middle of the first round before Brian Brohm?
Or Sam Baker? I don't recall his name being a consensus first round pick.
What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do? I'm sure everyone remembers that super-cool move the Cavs pulled off when they shocked everyone by drafting Tradgon Langdon with a lottery pick in the NBA draft. Nobody saw that coming but that ended up being a great pick..... wait...... no, it wasn't.
I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver. I trust in Alex Gibbs the coach but I have seen many a quality coach fail in the area of evaluation. Do we not remember Dom Capers - one of the most respected 3-4 defensive minds in history? He felt like the Texans needed Travis Johnson, had to re-sign Gary Walker and must move up for Jason Babin. Coaching and evaluation are often mutually exclusive. That's all I'm saying.
With all of this said, I'm not sure Brown would have gotten past #30.
That George Foster was Alex Gibbs' selection in the 2003 draft is a pretty big assumption. One, Foster was nothing like the ZBS prototypical lineman that Gibbs favored, small & athletic. Two, Gibbs was a part-time coach at Denver in 2003. Then he left the Broncos to join the Falcons in '04. That Gibbs was instrumental in Foster's selection and development isn't well founded. And even if the Foster pick received Gibbs' blessing in '03, Gibbs has obviously gone back to his comfort zone with Duane Brown.I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver.
That George Foster was Alex Gibbs' selection in the 2003 draft is a pretty big assumption. One, Foster was nothing like the ZBS prototypical lineman that Gibbs favored, small & athletic. Two, Gibbs was a part-time coach at Denver in 2003. Then he left the Broncos to join the Falcons in '04. That Gibbs was instrumental in Foster's selection and development isn't well founded. And even if the Foster pick received Gibbs' blessing in '03, Gibbs has obviously gone back to his comfort zone with Duane Brown.
I'm always suspicious of the sacks allowed stat. Watching one of the networks video highlights on Duane Brown, a sack by the defender engaged by Brown was shown. The implication was that this was a sack allowed by Brown, that he had quit on the block. What they didn't say was that the QB took a 3 step drop. The ball was supposed to be out well before the pass rusher completely circled Brown and found the QB. As we've seen in the past here in Houston, sometimes the sack allowed belongs to the QB.
Regarding technique, clearly Brown will have to be broken down and built up by Gibbs and Benton. But, they would have to do the same with Ryan Clady or Chris Williams. Think about all the work that would have to be done with Branden Albert, who had a total of 2 games at LT his entire career.
If Duane Brown becomes an accomplished LT, this wouldn't be the first time that John Harris was wrong on a prospect. He was calling Reggie Bush the best player in college football as a freshman. Everyone makes mistakes. Some of us are just more willing to side with Alex Gibbs opinion than internet scouts, like John Harris or Todd McShay.
3. I think the Broncos, in selecting 338-pound Georgia product George Foster at No. 20, have gone against the Alex Gibbs school of picking offensive tackles. Gibbs is the longtime offensive line coach, now Denver's line consultant, who always, always, always liked quick and smallish guys. I'm sure the Broncos think because Foster's a relatively lithe 5.1-in-the-40-yard-dash guy that he'll be quick enough to play on their active offensive line.
I just watched a show on the NFL network and the class of 1993 had 41 Pro Bowl players in it. I saw a graphic that showed that most years there were around 30 or so Pro Bowlers in every draft class...and these Pro Bowl players are in every round of the draft as well as in the undrafted FA market also. People get too caught on on draft slotting.What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do?
I just watched a show on the NFL network and the class of 1993 had 41 Pro Bowl players in it. I saw a graphic that showed that most years there were around 30 or so Pro Bowlers in every draft class...and these Pro Bowl players are in every round of the draft as well as in the undrafted FA market also. People get too caught on on draft slotting.
What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do? I'm sure everyone remembers that super-cool move the Cavs pulled off when they shocked everyone by drafting Tradgon Langdon with a lottery pick in the NBA draft. Nobody saw that coming but that ended up being a great pick..... wait...... no, it wasn't.
I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver. I trust in Alex Gibbs the coach but I have seen many a quality coach fail in the area of evaluation. Do we not remember Dom Capers - one of the most respected 3-4 defensive minds in history? He felt like the Texans needed Travis Johnson, had to re-sign Gary Walker and must move up for Jason Babin. Coaching and evaluation are often mutually exclusive. That's all I'm saying.
With all of this said, I'm not sure Brown would have gotten past #30.
A reach on who's boards? NFL teams or draftniks?this deal stinks of Babin. coaches pick. workout warrior. raw project. bit of a reach based on many boards.
I always thought the ZBS was a system that didn't necessitate early selections on OL and that you could get guys that 'fit' later in the draft or even in UDFA.
A reach on who's boards? NFL teams or draftniks?
Weren't you clamoring for Rashard Mendenhall at #18? There's also the theory that ZBS teams shouldn't take backs early. In fact, there are enough draft theories out there to criticize any position selected. Don't take safeties or interior linemen early. Linebackers can be found in the later rounds. QBs are made, not born. Doesn't matter who the Texans could have selected, someone would complain.
How about waiting to biacth about the Brown pick until he plays a NFL game? At least then, we could have a debate with something tangible. Unlike the draft gurus, I'll wait until this class gets on the field before I grade them.
That was true this past season. But, building a team is like a juggling act. Smith & Kubiak have to take into account a rise in production from the young defenders like Williams, Okoye, Bennett, Diles, and the Brandons (Harrison & Mitchell). And a possible drop in production from older vets, like Salaam.Our defense was and still is the problem with our team.
this deal stinks of Babin. coaches pick. workout warrior. raw project. bit of a reach based on many boards.
What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do?
I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver. I trust in Alex Gibbs the coach but I have seen many a quality coach fail in the area of evaluation. Do we not remember Dom Capers - one of the most respected 3-4 defensive minds in history? He felt like the Texans needed Travis Johnson, had to re-sign Gary Walker and must move up for Jason Babin. Coaching and evaluation are often mutually exclusive. That's all I'm saying.
With all of this said, I'm not sure Brown would have gotten past #30.
the OL wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs last year. quite the contrary. the porous defense was.
the Texans didn't desparately need a tackle so bad they had to use the 1st Round irregardless of value. the OL wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs last year. quite the contrary. the porous defense was.
the Texans didn't desparately need a tackle so bad they had to use the 1st Round irregardless of value. the OL wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs last year. quite the contrary. the porous defense was.
the Texans didn't desparately need a tackle so bad they had to use the 1st Round irregardless of value. the OL wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs last year. quite the contrary. the porous defense was.
Him or you?
the Texans didn't desparately need a tackle so bad they had to use the 1st Round irregardless of value. the OL wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs last year. quite the contrary. the porous defense was.
In other words, the Houston Texans got the right value out of the pick.
totally agree Lance. but don't say that around here though. you may get burned alive on a stake for speaking ill of the messiah Gibbs. After all, Gibbs is the greatest OL coach in the history of football and his arrival here guarantees success. Get with the program, LZ.
It sounds like you think they should have used a 1st round pick on defense "irregardless of value". What info do you have that DBrown wasn't the highest player on the board for them- certainly he was for the Chargers who picked Cason right after us.
Are you actually going to criticize the same team who chose Mario over Reggie and Vince two years ago for under-emphasizing the defense?
Let's look at the attention to defense the past three off-seasons:
2006: 1st and 2nd round- Mario and Demeco, signing of Weaver, Maddox, WRainer, Kalu, Cochran, etc...
2007: 1st, 4th, 5th round- Okoye, Bennett, Harrison, signing of Danny Clark, Fletcher, Demps, trade for M.Boulware.
2008: 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round- Molden, Adibi, Okam, Barber, signing of J.Reeves, Bentley, CThompson
I'm not sure how anyone could honestly suggest that this team doesn't adequately weight the importance of defense. Your argument really has nothing to stand on. We know other teams also had Brown rated ahead of guys like Cason and that he wouldn't have made it out of the 1st round. Also, clearly, the team has sunk a lot of money and picks into the defense the past 3 years. So, what's your point other than an inability to admit when you are in error.